POPE DCJ49 , hey, remember this? 1 KIN 15:6 "And there was war between Rehoboam and Jeroboam all the days of his life. "
re,whining when I quote other brethren who agree with me,(&snarky insults of them) Pro 11:14Where no counsel is, the people fall:but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. Pro 15:22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established. Pro 24:6 For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety. why 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[URL=http://www.geocities.com/thekingsofisrael/biography_Rehoboam.html]]]10 tribes in rebellion, prepared armies for defense[/URL]
& you need me to paint a picture?? [URL=http://bibleencyclopedia.com/picturesjpeg/Rehoboam_divides_kingdoms_1407-93.jpg]]]note the SWORD on the side of the rebel![/URL] [URL=http://backwaterreport.com/?p=459]]]armed Christian Resistance is Biblical[/URL] 1 King 12:24 " for this thing is from me." [armed militant resistance] "is from me." [URL=http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=10]]]When a King Is Not a King[/URL] God regulated both the election of the King and the behaviour of the King himself."
People love the Osteen Positive stuffy, but an excellent preacher here on SA gives a [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6280319436]]]Positive Rebuke of Positive Christianity[/URL] A Christian cannot be for righteousness if he is not against unrighteousness, for salvation if he is not against sin, for God if he is not against the world and its false religions .
Also good on the subject of care with false teachers, and gossip--
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7307145255]]]Filthy Dreamers and Their Dangerous Doctrines[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=51606175529]]]We Must Have Truth[/URL]
As the head is, so the body should be. Jesus Christ is full of grace and truth; but Christ's body, the Church, is not always so full of grace and truth. Also, these two can be twisted and perverted. For instance, grace must always be predicated on and defined by truth. Grace without truth is nothing but carnal license. We must have grace, but we must also have truth.
Congratulations on NOT providing REBUTTAL TO THE Scripture showing that the 10 northern tribes took up arms in their rebellion against Rehoboam. You ASSUME they did NOT, but Scripture is CLEAR
Despite your pathetic,desperate reading that ALL 10 tribes of Israelites were UNARMED.
listed again: 1. "and made him king over all Israel" King means ruler of the armies of the 10 tribes
2. 180,000 troops were called out to quell this rebellion (you'd have to have no mind of your own to think they were wasting this deployment against unarmed men) 3."Ye shall not go up, nor fight against
your brethren " not "Ye shall not go up, nor " slaughter, or arrest your unarmed brethren"
thanks especially for your (cough) insightful "Ehud in Judges 3; Elijah in I Kings 18; II Chronicles 23 had SPIRITUAL significance and are " [note the foaming-at-the-mouth caps to try to make this an ex-cathedra pronouncement] NOT to be interpreted as God sanctioning man-centered rebellion "
Who decided this rule, and what name did he adopt for his papacy?
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=95081415114]]]The Heart of the Matter Sept 5 2008 re Palin[/URL] great show recently by Pastor Ovadal
unDiscerning wrote: Having "googled" him, and on Wikipedia (not totally reliable,
It is hypocritical to call names at a Godly man, while touting UNRELIABLE gossip (which Wikipedia is, here -) while defying civil laws.. laws that support murder of innocent babies, say?
or laws that promote the filth of sodomy?
Yes, we do need to beware of false posters on SA who think themselves 'Discerning' who really have an ax to grind on the Bible's call of women to submission.
comments of a better nature on Brother Ovadal
Angela Wittman from SW Illinois (9/5/2008) â Great Program! â Excellent Biblical commentary on the nomination and candidacy of Sarah Palin for the GOP Vice President and the lack of Biblical response from well known "family" leaders. Thank you!
Toni Cunningham (9/6/2008) â Great Sermon! â Thank you, Pastor Ovadal for this important message. It is rare today for a preacher to take this biblical stance.
[URL=http://www.pccmonroe.org/]]]Pastor Ovadal's website (skip the WIKed gossip)[/URL] We Stand Against the Goddess Worship in La Crosse.
[URL=http://backwaterreport.com/?p=459]]]armed Christian Resistance????[/URL]
Ehud in Judges 3
Elijah in I Kings 18
II Chronicles 23
All show God approving rebellion via arms as does the 1 Kings 12 ( unless you want to go back to the fairy tale that the 10 tribes were unarmed)
Re-Elijah- Here the ruling authority is Ahab and Jezebel. Elijah as Godâs prophet is, governmentally speaking, what we would denominate a lesser magistrate. Elijah is victorious at Mt. Carmel and under the authority and instruction of this lesser magistrate the people enter into armed resistance against the prophetic class of Ahabâs Kingdom by seizing them and bringing them to Elijah for execution. Keep in mind also, that an assault on the Kingâs men has always been considered an assault on the King. Were we to follow the reasoning of those who contend it is never a Christianâs duty to enter into armed resistance against duly appointed governing authority we would have to conclude that the people were wrong for following Elijah against Ahab. Armed resistance to previously God appointed governing authorities appears to be sometimes Biblical.
Note the example of the doctrine of interposition where one Sphere(prophet) checks the rampaging disobedience of another Sphere Civil.cf 1 Co 10:11
DJC49 wrote: the rebellious northern tribes of Israel took up arms
you don't know what you're reading! 1 KI.12:20 " all Israel ...sent ..., and made him king over all Israel: ...And when Rehoboam...assembled... an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon. But the word of God came ... saying, Thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not go up, nor fight against your brethren the children of Israel: return every man to his house; for this thing is from me." Wow, you really are desperate. I can see you imagine this as 10 tribes all leaving their swords behind, or beating them into plowshares on the assumption that 'peace is not come'.
Did you think Rehoboam was Neville Chamberlain?
1. and made him king over all Israel King means ruler of the armies of the 10 tribes 2. 180,000 troops were called out to quell this rebellion 3."Ye shall not go up, nor
your brethren "
not "Ye shall not go up, nor " slaughter, or arrest your unarmed brethren"
pretty desperate to think that 10 tribes of Israelites were UNARMED. You really think that?
[URL=http://backwaterreport.com/?p=459]]]armed Christian Resistance????[/URL] There are those who concede that Christians have the right to passive obedience given that we âmust obey God rather than man,â but by making appeal to Romans 13 they conclude definitively that while Christians may have duty for passive disobedience they have no Scriptural duty ever for armed resistance against Governmental oppression.
If we do not have lesser magistrates that will lead then we must suffer under Godâs just judgment against our sin and pray that God will raise up magistrates who are worthy of being followed due to their submission to Christ.
In due course we will deal with Romans 13 but for now let us turn briefly to examples we find in Scripture where Godâs people enter into armed resistance against a King under the leadership of a lesser magistrate.
Ehud in Judges 3 Elijah in I Kings 18 II Chronicles 23 Now, if the objection be raised here that in all these instances the people who were overthrown were not really God appointed ruling authorities but pretenders to the throne we would appeal to the truth âthat there is no authority except from God, and that the authorities that exist are appointed by God.â
James 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
[URL=http://www.forgottenword.org/where.html]]]Where has the Word of God Gone To?[/URL] "So beware, for there are many others who will lead you astray with their false teaching and their habit of leaving the Word hidden while they preach their own version of the Gospel. A few people in my humble opinion, who while being good men and women, whom I think you should be aware of are: Kenneth & Golria Copeland, Morris Cerullo, Jesse Duplantis, Fred Price, Rodney Browne, Rod Parsons, Benny Hinn, Paul & Jan Crouch, TBN, Daystar, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson Joel Osteen and others." "The True Word of God has disappeared from the pulpit in most cases. There are some who still preach the Word, but few indeed. And, the sad thing is that this type of preaching is beginning to be more and more prominant every day.... ...Use the Bible as a measuring stick against everything you hear and you will know the truth for the truth will set you free!"
[URL=http://www.forgottenword.org/west3.html]]]We've had enough of False Prophets[/URL]
The Holy Spirit is on the move. Heâs working in the minds and mouths of the false prophets. BAM! Theyâve fallen and they canât get up.
On June 23rd God moved a mountain -- figuratively speaking -- and the Charismatic church has been in chaos ever since. That day several of the New Apostolic Reformation leaders met in Lakeland, Florida for Todd Bentleyâs "apostolic alignment commissioning service." What happened was mind-blowing. Iâm not talking about miraculous signs and wonders. There was no gold dust, no oil soaked hands, no angels with shimmering clothes and bright blue eyes hovering on stage. There was none of that -- but there was a whole lot of shakinâ goinâ on!
I see responding to an earlier cite of 1 King 12:24 " for this thing is from me."
rogerant wrote: I see that 1 Kings 12:24 supported the actions of Israel under the Old Covenant.9/8/08 10:41 AM
The Bible does set precedents....
1 King 12:24 " for this thing" [armed militant resistance] "is from me."
[URL=http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=693]]]Scott T. Whiteman[/URL] "... perhaps in a age of rampant Biblical illiteracy and ignorance, we donât know what we purport to know." "By Godâs declaring that you must choose this person as king over that person as king, we learn that the People choose the king. From such, we learn that God regulated both the election of the King and the behaviour of the King himself."
Whiteman uses this Biblical principle in another blog to show [URL=http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=10]]]When a King Is Not a King[/URL] "A principle of delegated authority perhaps requires notingâthe King, or any agent, takes an absolute Oath to perform the task as it has been delegated to him.âThe People,â take only a conditional Oath to support and uphold such an agent while he performs the tasks delegated to him. Once an agent steps outside of the authority granted," [all bet are off!]....
hidemi williges wrote: How entangled should Churches be
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12307111414]]]Interview Lesson on 501-c-3 1 of 2[/URL]
This interview is a must hear for anyone thinking of entering the ministry if he wants to have a church that is free. The State controlled Church is the tool, or soon will be the tool, of the New World Order Government of the Anti-Christ..The Catholic Church has through history established it's own form of 501-c-3 agreements with dictators around the world and so is it any wonder as America becomes more and more Catholic that the various "churches" would be more and more in line with the idea of Government controlled Churches... it is after all the Papist model
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12307112619]]]Interview Lesson on 501-c-3-- 2 of 2[/URL]
The interview is in two parts for easy downloading time. but be warned it is very to the point and exposes this whole mess in detail that 99% of the pastors of America ( even the good ones) will not be comfortable with.
Slattery is very adamant on the NON-501-c3 , and has more messages on this on SA, with a number of asides while preaching about how this impacts other ministry.
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=25315]]]Obama pastor's theology: Destroy 'the white enemy'[/URL] Did Barack mis-speak, when he really meant, 'my Black Muslim Faith'??
"Barack Obama's suddenly radioactive pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has defended himself against charges of anti-Americanism and racism by referring to his foundational philosophy, the "black liberation theology" of scholars such as James Cone, who regard Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people" who will only accept a god who assists their aim of destroying the "white enemy." "
Antinomianism is the view that there is no need for the law of God.
Clearly God says in His holy writ that sodomites and murderers are to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and the responsibility for carrying out those criminal laws belongs to civil authorities (Rom. 13:4). (There are also damnable consequences that come upon civil authorities who refuse to carry out those criminal laws, Rom. 13:2).
In Matthew 7, Jesus is emphatic about Christians obeying the commandments of God. He says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Jesus is not talking about unbelievers, He is talking about professing believers who call Him "Lord," ...remember what Jesus said in summing up Matthew 7 concerning the foolish man who refused to heed the words of Christ. He said, "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." THAT applies to gossips. [URL=http://www.covenantnews.com/cspa990824.htm]]]The Bible as law-book[/URL] "Heresy=`A deliberate denial of revealed truth coupled with accepting error.'"
Let the executioner who is without a felony status conviction of a capital crime flip the first switch.
[URL=http://covenantnews.com/rudd010502.htm]]]Preaching to Sodomites[/URL] By first preaching "...the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Eph. 6:17), to unbelievers concerning the sin that they are publicly flaunting, it not only convicts them of their sin ("For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" Heb. 4:12), it is the means by which they become believers. (Rom. 10:17)
However, if you do not love your neighbors like you love yourself (Matt. 22:37-40), if you hate the sodomites and are biased against them like Jonah was against Nineveh (Jonah 1:1 - 4:1), then don't go and preach to them the Word of God concerning their sin. Just let them be damned. Just let them parade their sin down main street and help bring God's righteous judgment of death upon all who passively co-exist with them... including yourself.
[URL=http://www.covenantnews.com/rudd010411.htm]]]Sodomy Is A Crime[/URL]
You ever slip and say, after you say you are, " a Sister in Christ" a minute later call yourself, "a Brother in Christ"???
can't be a slip of the tongue, and Obama's 'church' allowed Muslims to be full members, and call themselves Christians. (SEE LINK BELOW)
I've met numbers of Black Muslims who call themselves Christians.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. "
hidemi williges wrote: If all the sodomites in SF were executed, there would hardly be anyone left to witness to.
but... If all the sodomites in SF were SUBJECT TO execution, there'd be about 99.9% less OPEN sodomites, and there would hardly be any need to deal with the side issue of PERVERSION.
At the start, you cut out recruiting for perversion by returning to God's revealed civil laws.. and
We'd all be left to witness to everybody on our equal status as wretches, and leave the peace of the land to the magistrates.
(And those on death row, waiting for a painful execution in 3 days or so, would have their attention focused on eternal matters.)
Nothing so helps to bring repentance as impending doom. The lie that we are NOT dangling over the pit of hell, subject to HIS eternal wrath, lulls sodomite and 'good person'(HA-Rom.3) into soporific stupidity, and hardens our heart. The LAW is the way to wake ALL of us to our need for grace.