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News Item11/14/18 4:34 PM
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(2Tim 3:16)@ Eric I still have no idea as to how you would put your Beliefs into practice. I don’t think it is reasonable to ask people to agree with you if you are never going to answer the practical questions. 1. What should be done with those that aren’t Christians? 2. Who would decide whether a person is a Christian? 3. How would it be decided whether a persons views are permissible? 4. If those people who are making the decisions disagree with and ban your sincerely held beliefs what would you do?

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(TMC) @MS

After looking into what Chris posted earlier, that's what we were thinking as well.

If anyone wants the low-down on what Steelites believe here are 2 websites:

www.covenanter.org

www.reformedpresbytery.org

It seems that Still Waters Revival Books of Puritan Hard Drive fame are caught up in this, as well.

And, just to clarify, these folks are not Theonomists (i.e. Dominionists).

www.americanvision.org/14114/what-is-not-theonomy/


News Item11/14/18 2:34 PM
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(2Tim 3:16)@Eric, (Here are the questions I posted)So, what should be done with those that aren’t Christians? Who would decide whether a person is a Christian? How would it be decided whether a persons views are permissible? If a Baptist is the one making the decisions would it be fine for him to ban presbyterian views on baptism? It is quite easy to espouse ideas in the abstract but they do have consequences in reality.

News Item11/14/18 2:03 PM
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(2Tim 3:16)@Eric I will ask you again to answer the questions that I asked you in my (2Tim 3:16) post. It is the first post I have made on this thread so don’t tell me about all of the things my siblings (TMC) and (John 8:32) have posted.
I have as of yet made no statements regarding any of the things you mentioned in your last post. If you still ignore these questions, and cannot articulate the practical out workings of your view then you cannot expect people to agree with you.

News Item11/14/18 1:06 PM
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(TMC) @Adriel
That is not at all my meaning.

As I said earlier in this thread: “The WCF, WSC and other such documents can be helpful- but they were written by mere men and can and do err.” I have personally found these things edifying on multiple occasions, in addition to autobiographies, sermons, and the like. That is not a problem.

What is an enormous problem, is to hold up any of these non-inspired documents and to claim that to reject it is to reject Scripture. To place man’s interpretation of God’s Word on the same or even a near level with God’s Word is again, Heresy and Idolatry.


News Item11/14/18 11:38 AM
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(2Tim 3:16)@Eric, So, what should be done with those that aren’t Christians? Who would decide whether a person is a Christian? How would it be decided whether a persons views are permissible? If a Baptist is the one making the decisions would it be fine for him to ban presbyterian views on baptism? It is quite easy to espouse ideas in the abstract but they do have consequences in reality. If you are unwilling or unable to answer these and many other practical questions then nobody here should take your abstractions seriously.

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(TMC)

“Also since the Westminster Standards have been codified in both State and Church to reject them is to both reject the true teaching of the Bible and the authority of the Church.”

The words of sinful, fallen, mortal men- no matter their station, who endorses them, who codifies them, or who worships them; are NEVER to be equated with The Living Word of The Perfect, Holy, and Almighty Judge of the Universe! Heaven and Earth (which includes ALL mortal scribblings) shall pass away but His Word shall not! To claim otherwise is nothing short of Heresy and Idolatry.

We fought against this same thing 500 years ago:

“Unless I am convicted by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils for they have contradicted each other- my conscience is captive to The Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise, God help me. Amen.” ~Martin Luther

“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” ~Matthew 15:9


News Item11/13/18 1:51 PM
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(TMC) @Eric
If someone committed treason against the United States, then they are subject to punishment by the US- not Egypt. So to, those that commit treason against Christ are subject to punishment by... Christ! Simple isn’t it?

The article you read has over 70 proof texts- but one can only lead a horse to water. For now I can only commend you to the Lord and pray that He does what He will with you.

You’re mind is made up, as is mine, so further discussion is rather pointless.


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(TMC) @Neil

Sure thing!
I pulled the quote from this article:

https://americanvision.org/14114/what-is-not-theonomy/

See footnote #23:
Anon., Declaration of several of the people called Anabaptists in and about the city of London (London: printed for Livewel Chapman, 1659).


News Item11/13/18 11:43 AM
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(TMC) @Eric
You may be surprised to learn that some Baptists agree with you. Speaking of “matters civil” in their 1659 London Declaration they said:
“Nor do we desire, in matters of Religion, that Popery should be tolerated . . . or any persons tolerated, that worship a false god; nor any that speak contemptuously and reproachfully of our Lord Jesus Christ; nor any that deny the holy Scriptures, contained in the Books of the Old and New Testament, to be the Word of God.“
The problem is that they, as well as many of the Reformers (including the Covenanters), adopted this position, not from a love of God’s Law but rather from the pagan Roman Law tradition that they considered “divine”. As a Theonomist who believes “the biblical teaching that Mosaic Law contains perpetual moral standards for living, including some civil laws, which remain obligatory for today”, I find the Reformer’s legal positions appalling. For the State to punish First Table and other “cherem” offences is to usurp judgement that God has reserved to Himself in the NT era.
https://americanvision.org/13832/the-cherem-principle-biblical-law-and-the-death-penalties/

News Item11/13/18 9:58 AM
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(John 8:32) @Erik,
We as Christians are not to have any other "gods" before God. That does not mean that we should inprison, or otherwise punish people who don't worship God here on Earth. God will do that on judgement day. The Israelites were not told to force the Strangers to become Jewish! Instead, we have been commanded to spread the Gospel to the lost around us.
See Exo 23:9; Deu 31:16
The state church system you are advocating is the same system the RCC has tried. Look at where it led. Inquisitions, burnings at the stake, all if anyone fell out of line with the state church. What if the state church in your system became baptist? See the problem? The Church was never designed to subvert the role of the state, but has it's own separate God-given authority.
You may wish to look over this free ebook:
https://americanvision.org/13762/the-bounds-of-love-master-table-of-contents/

News Item11/12/18 8:48 PM
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(John 8:32) @Lurker,
Yes, you got it right! Everyone here says thank you!

News Item11/12/18 8:41 PM
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(TMC) @ Eric

As to Church and State, for one, I think you do not grasp the original intent of the 1st Amendment. By no means should State government dictate to Church government. For the State to transgress it’s God ordained limits in that manner would be rebellion. This is all that that amendment forbids. Our Government can and should enforce God’s standards of Justice (as revealed in His Word) as His Ministers. We should do our best to influence it to do so on all levels. Yet even when they are in open rebellion, in His providence they still end up serving His purposes. That is because Jesus IS King, whether acknowledged by an invention of man (such as the SL&C) or not.

Yes, I have read all those sections of Scripture concerning both Instruments and God’s Law.
Here’s the rub- playing and singing before the Lord preceeded 1 Chronicles 25. David did not “institute” it; he merely organized it of his own volition. Therefore it is not part of the God-given Ceremonial Law and has not been abrogated.

@ Lurker Thank you for your service!


News Item11/12/18 8:32 PM
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(John 8:32) @Lurker,
Thank you for your service. Your response exhibited more grace than mine probably would have. Have a blessed evening!

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“What should give one assurance is their desire to obey Christ- which is totally lacking in this forum. ...Since one cannot know the heart of another...”

Ironic.

Personally, I believe it is my duty to my Lord to follow what He has told me to do or not do in His revealed Word. Not to Pontificate to others based on anything other than the plain reading of Scripture. The WCF, WSC and other such documents can be helpful- but they were written by mere men and can and do err. I sincerely can find absolutely no abrogation of Instruments even remotely implied in the NT. Therefore the OT is usefull for doctrine, reproof, and instruction in righteousness in this case. God is the same yesterday and today and all of Scripture interprets all of Scripture.

The Church is directly under the authority of the King of Kings (Ephesians 5:24). All State Governments are directly under the authority of the King of Kings (Romans 13:1-7). The Church is not subservient to the State; and The State is not subservient to the Church. Therefore a state church never works because it is a corruption of God’s design for both jurisdictions.


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(John 8:32) @Erik,
You earlier claimed that hymns were a new trend in the Church and now you have shifted ground. Does the Bible state what songs the New Testament church was singing? The same Psalms you sing tell me to sing a new song to the Lord! So yes, it is up to you to prove from Scripture where it allegedly condemns it! Was David a Levite? No, David was not a Levite. Yet he played a musical instrument (a harp) in Scripture! You keep citing "The Church". Please define what "The Church" is. Is it a particular denomination that knows how to worship God "the right way" as defined by you, or is it the church at large, as in, all of the saved by Christ. And by what authority has this "Church" ruled on this? God is the same yesterday, today, and tommorow. So unless the New Testament specifically says I can no longer sing a new song, or play a musical instrument, shouldn't I assume He has not changed His opinion on the matter?

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(TMC) @Susan
Why art thou writing thus? Art thou a Quaker?

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John 8:32,
Oops, a bit late.

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John 8:32 @PO Tim,
Bump!!!

News Item11/12/18 1:17 PM
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John 8:32 @Erik,
How does one determine what parts of the Old Testament have been abrogated? Do we perhaps use Scripture to tell us what parts of OT have been abrogated? There are specific verses in the New Testament that abrogate blood offerings and such because Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. What verses in the New Testament clearly and specifically abrogate the use of musical instruments? Can you cite any? Have the Psalms been abrogated? It should also be noted that the Church has been writing hymns for at least 1800 years, so this is far from being a new trend. Nor is it a new idea in Church history to set aside days to praise and give thanks to the Lord for His works.
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