But as Paul declared
1Cor 11:19 "For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you"

So we must put up with these hell bound heretics in the same mold as the papists. "Salvation by works" and your "own" righteousness, together with "we have overcome sin by our own volition," is a recipe for disaster, but sadly it appears from their posts that this is precisely what they choose to believe.

May the Lord in His mercy bring them into the Truth and set them free from the bondage of sin.

John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

The Anglicans wouldn't know trust in God, from the faith they have in their local soccer team to win.

Liberalism has destroyed any real faith and Biblical understanding amongst them.

IF you are about the work of God HE will take care of your environment.

Psalm 107.33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground;
34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.

OR

Try looking at the greatest "IMAGE" Christianity ever saw on earth.

The broken and bloodied body of the Son of God Crucified by mankind upon a Cross.

Then and Then only will you perceive Salvation.

Luke 2.30 "For mine eyes have seen thy salvation"

Spiritual wrote:
So no sinner can possibly be justified on the merits of Christ's righteousness.
..........And because they are not sinners God will consider their works of the Spirit and reckon them righteous and give them eternal life.

JD
I'm sorry that you are in "agreement" with our cultish minded friend above in this instance.

As far as the subject of justification, by Paul in Romans, he is not in disagreement with any other part of Scripture.

NO mortal can ever nor will ever come before God as justified on their own human merits.

The Elect can and will only ever be justified before God **IN CHRIST** - There is NO other way. NO HUMAN WAY!

Ro 8.33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? IT IS GOD that justifieth."

Isa 43.25 "I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions FOR MINE OWN SAKE, and will not remember thy sins."

Therefore it is GOD alone who retains HIS prerogative to provide all the means thereof.

Which is why HE caused David to record
Psalm 143.2 "And enter not into judgment with thy servant: FOR IN THY SIGHT shall no man living be justified"

Thus only Christ's righteousness IMPUTED into the elect believer is accepted by God!!!

Ro 4.13 "For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the RIGHTEOUSNESS **OF** FAITH."

Rom 3:10 "As it is written, There is none(NONE! NONE!) righteous, no, not one:"

Phil 1.29 "For unto you it is given(GIVEN! GIVEN!) in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for his sake"

Eph 2.8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not(NOT) of yourselves(HUMAN ABILITY): it is the GIFT of God:
9 Not of works,....."
NOT OF WORKS!
NOT human effort!

Man does not have - cannot get - nor does he ever have the righteousness required by God.

The imputed righteousness of Christ is the only one God will and does accept.
You
And all humans cannot, - cannot produce that in any way shape or form.

2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God IN HIM.

Is it really a surprise that in our spiritually and morally declining western society, that most people don't know the Decalogue?

It wouldn't be a surprise to me if you asked the question of many in the Liberal churches and arrived at the same result.

JD wrote:
Walt,
If the Scriptures ever, in a single instance, said that faith is the gift of God, I would be on this forum defending it.

This is the reason why JD is re-negotiating the doctrine of "imputed righteousness" below.

Whereby the Bible teaches that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us by God, because, "there is none righteous no not one" - This believe it or not includes JD and Yamil -
However this does tend to exclude the Arminian teaching of God, not being entirely in sovereign charge of His creation, and sin not really as bad as total depravity.

JD
Eph 2.8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

1Pet 1.4/5... reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Wayne M. wrote:
Seaton,
That quote sounds like salvation by works. You quoted R. Brimsmead but never said whether you agreed or disagreed with it and why.

What Brimsmead is doing at that section of his article is comparing the error of the Arminian, with Biblical doctrine.

"Arminian theology (which was the soil from which sprang the holiness-Pentecostal movement) greatly weakens the doctrine of justification by faith. It thinks of justification only in terms of forgiveness of past sins by virtue of Christ's death. It fails to see that justification is also the imputation of Christ's life of perfect obedience to the law — an obedience which gives to the believer a full and free title to eternal life (Rom. 4:5-7; 5:10, 18, 19). Consequently, final salvation is thought to depend largely on the active obedience of the believer in his life of sanctification."
(R. Brinsmead; Present Truth Mag)

Dictionary
= "Fundamentalism"

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

2. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
Adherence to the theology of this movement."

The problem is in the definition today.

it's a bit like many of the other religious terms which have been misconstrued over the years. Eg. "evangelical"

Whereas I would call myself "evangelical" in it's true sense, rather than "fundamentalist" and what it has become.

However even evangelical has been "stolen" by the heretics.

JD wrote:
Therefore, it was not belief in the gospel of Christ that brought justification to these men.
It is belief in the gospel that brings justification to his church.

Jn 1.12 "But as many as received him, to them *GAVE HE POWER* to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name"

Also

Q70. What is justification?

A. Justification is an ACT of God's free grace unto sinners [x], in which HE pardoneth all their sins, accepteth and accounteth their persons righteous IN HIS SIGHT [y]; NOT(R)NOT for any thing wrought in them, or done by them [z], but ONLY FOR the perfect obedience and full satisfaction of Christ, by God IMPUTED to them [a], and received by faith alone [b].

Spiritual wrote:
While me and Cheryl are on agreement in many things, she is aware that I differ strongly with her as to how our iniquitous government is to be dealt with. While everything she says concerning the American Government is factually accurate (I have studied these matters myself),

2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should believe a lie:

2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto *FABLES*.

Nuh this can't be true???

Our illustrious Prime Minister, "good old Gordon Brown" (whose daddy was a church minister therefore he must be right) told everybody that we are not to use the term "Muslim," when speaking in the context of terrorism.

Now all the Brits believe him don't we.

I'm not a "fundamentalist"

I just read what God wrote by the gift HE provides.....

Thus when God states...

Heb 11.3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Contender wrote:
My answer is no because on a historical account the Solemn League and Covenant was made for more than just pure religious purposes, it was also very political and meant to impose Scottish Presbyterianism upon English protestants and citizens in order to form a military pact against the Royalists and Charles I in the first British civil war, although not directly stated in the covenant it was intended by the Covenanters.
True religion is not imposed on anyone,

But this was the struggle of Papists versus Covenanters, and papists versus Puritans(Cromwell) in England.

This was a struggle by the Papists to "impose" their heretical dogmas upon the British people.

Thus was the overflow of the Reformation, viz The Papist antichrist church against the True Protestant Church.

Is it a surprise that it took this course and toll amongst a people, who fought and died for their Biblical Church's existance.

The 1746 Culloden battle was religious too, - Bonnie Prince Charlie being a Papist.

Walt wrote:
JD even admits it does not have to be faith in Jesus Christ that saves, because he argues that Abraham and others after him never even knew Christ, so it is just faith alone that saves, and not faith in Jesus Christ.

Yamil quoted back to you yesterday
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Ro 5.1)

But he seems to have missed the criterion in the verse, - "THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ"
Next verse continues...
"**BY WHOM ALSO WE HAVE ACCESS** by faith into this grace wherein we stand..."

The works based religion, like popery, always seems to require to raise the input of the sinner, whilst correspondingly lower the Sovereignty of God.