Vic wrote: I take it these childless who are doing all the sobbing will give up the idea of retirement since the children of others will be footing the bill!
Yes Vic, I agree with Suzy, it is an excellent point
Another point is to ask a mother how many jobs(functions/roles) she participates in, whilst serving the community raising the next generation, as a mother. Thus to be fair shouldn't she receive TWO salaries for her two careers?
Of course the ideal solution, as John has posted below, is for Mothers to remain at home. But why not pay her for the same reason.
"A bill that would force many religious and conservative groups to grant special rights to homosexuals in the workplace is scheduled for a full House vote next week"
Your Democrats appear to be polluted with Liberalism.
Ours are called "Liberal Democrats" so I guess were one step ahead. Basically as far as decent society is concerned, these Lib Dems are anarchist and anti ethical authority. However the sad thing about it is that all bureaucracy is suffering from this Satanic disease.
2Cor 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
Psalm 94:23 "And HE shall bring upon them THEIR OWN INIQUITY, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off."
Rom 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:"
Because = 18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, **who hold the truth in unrighteousness**" 25 "Who **changed the truth** of God into a lie,"
1The 4:5 "Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:"
Those who do not "know" God cannot control the flesh.
Remove the Law and the crimes become legal and acceptable to society.
It is observed below that Yamil cannot receive the Truth.
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an EVERLASTING covenant, and with his seed after him.
= Here God establishes HIS Covenant with HIS people for eternity.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
= Here God presents an earthbound provision to Ishmael and his seed.
21 BUT MY COVENANT will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year."
There is ONLY one Covenant between God for eternal Salvation established by God through Isaac.
Gal 4:22 "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was BY PROMISE.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall NOT BE HEIR with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, WE are not children of the bondwoman, BUT OF THE FREE."
Abigail It would appear that in your religion - faith is NOT an absolute trust in God.
Salvation is of God.
Yet you teach that we may expect HIM not to deliver.
As for your understanding of Bible. Apparently your conclusion from Scripture is that you cannot trust God. What your definition of faith is I can't imagine!! But clearly it is sourced within sinful mortal ability, - Which of course is salvation by works. If God must rely upon man for salvation, then Christ achieved nothing on the cross and sin is no more than a simple malady, (as indeed other Arminians such as JD think).
If human ability is the linchpin of salvation in Christ, then God is defeated before He starts.
You have reduced God and his divine purpose to human-sinners level. Why? Only to pander to your carnal vanity and serve Satan.
Paul said "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God *UNTO* salvation to every one that believeth;"Ro 1.16
Abigail says I'm ashamed to report that this gospel does not have the power to take us all the way to salvation.
1Pet 1.5 Who are ARE KEPT BY THE POWER of God through faith UNTO salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Abigail you have declared that YOU doubt God and Christ.
Abigail It's sad to see you writing "Loss of Salvation" posts, when the Biblical fact is that the TRUE Christian Elect cannot and will not loose their salvation. This is part of the Promise and Covenant of God. True Faith is Trust in God - NOT trust in human ability to get there. The Elect are sanctified by the Holy Spirit during their life, whilst this grace and promise is applied to the True Believer, they are brought from being children of wrath to God, IN Christ. Christ justifies them immediately on regeneration and once justified before God they are brought to salvation.
With your penchant for salvation by works, I can see that your reliance is upon human effort whether to come to Christ, - or indeed to loose your salvation(Christ). I can only conclude that you are not saved. Sorry!!
Abigail wrote: It is illogical to think that God goes against His own will to save a select few. God is not willing that any should perish. If He is unwilling for any to perishâ€”and if humanity has no part in their own salvationâ€”it would be logical to say that everyone will be saved.
On 2Peter 3:9 - Note [a] "concerning His promise" [b] "longsuffering to us-ward"
First note at v15 Peter goes on to explain that, "longsuffering of our Lord is salvation."
Second you are automatically assuming "us-ward" is universal. But Peter is not suggesting that in this context.
Third God does not allow HIS people to perish. "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:39.
Fourth Repentance, as Lurker has explained, can only come to the "born again" by grace and the Holy Spirit.
Finally you still appear to be seeking support for the Romish heresy of salvation by works.
Yamil Election is about God's choice NOT about man's presumptions.
Election is about God's choice NOT about salvation by works.
Election is about God choosing whom HE decides to, - And believe it or not HE choose Isaac, NOT Ishmael. This of course brings us into Covenant theology whereby Isaac and ALL God's Elect are in Covenant with Him and He with them.
Election is unconditional because it comes through the merits of Christ alone. Only Christ's imputed righteousness is acceptable to God and His Sovereign choice. 2Tim 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" 1Pet 1:2 "Elect *ACCORDING TO* the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" ____________________________________
Abigail You are absolutely right the "Visible" church is full of sinners, heretics and charlatans. Tares amongst the wheat.
But the Elect go to Church too.
Matt 7:21-23 details the false professors who meet the Lord and find out their theology was not of the Holy Spirit after all. The Laodicean church in Rev 3:14ff had a similar experience.
Isn't it interesting that "weapon of mis-direction" and his fan "fundamental" always appear at the same time and spell devastating wrongly with an "h" in it.
Keep on trying Yamil whichever alias you suspend your heresy upon.
The Elect KNOW who is elected or not. You can tell it by the fruit on their tree.
The Elect know God's sovereignty and man's Total Depravity too.
Remember Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, **HERESIES**
When GOD changes us from the old man into the new, and places us into a state of grace, HE frees us from the bondage of sin.
Jn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.
This grace *ALONE* frees us to will and to do what is *spiritually* good.
Ro 6:17 But *GOD* be thanked, that ye *WERE*(old man) the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Ro 6:18 Being then made free from sin,(new man) ye became the servants of righteousness. 22 BUT NOW being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Phil 2:13 For *IT IS GOD* which worketh in you both to WILL and to DO of his good pleasure
Ep 2.3 Among whom also WE ALL had our conversation in times past IN THE lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the MIND; and were BY NATURE the children of WRATH, 4. But GOD... 5. Even when we were *DEAD* in sins, HATH QUICKENED(made alive) us together with Christ, (by GRACE ye are saved)
JD What you have to remember is that on the subject of Arminianism, Pelagianism or synergism; - viz mans ability to overcome the power and effect of sin to commence the salvation process by his own effort, which the NON-Reformed use as religion, the True Church in history has rejected these UNBiblical practices. This has been observed in the councils of the 5th century and the 17th century Canons of Dordt.
Lets face it JD, there is only two possible ways.  Either God is in complete charge from the beginning, or  God needs man to cooperate unto salvation, even prior to Grace or the Holy Spirit's involvement.
 Is the Calvinist/Reformed teaching.  Is the Arminian, Pelagian(& Semi), synergist or Free Will teaching.
Your's is # .
JD'ism refuses to accept the Bible statement of "dead in sins" and identifies sin as a simple malady.
JD'ism refuses to accept the Bible statement of "by grace you are saved" - also "Not of works...." plus "grace/faith is the gift of God."
JD'ism thereby reduces God's sovereignty to a lesser level, whilst at the same time raising the sinner to a higher level of authority, in the process of salvation.
JD'ism thus introducing mans ability to being essential to salvation.
Abigail All that James chapter two is establishing is that, as Jesus puts it, - You can judge a tree by it's fruit.
This has nothing to do with heavenly rewards or our ability to discern them, by virtue of our earthly effort.
Matthew 7:16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? :17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. :18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
And what about......
John 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, THAT it MAY bring FORTH ***MORE*** fruit."
Human effort has nothing to do with our "reward" in heaven. 1] Otherwise salvation by works becomes acceptable and would include the abilities of the individual.
2] Otherwise we are ascribing "greater" or "lesser" degrees of being with God in heaven.
3] There is no academic or human skill level which directly relates to reward in heaven.
4] Our judgment of "works" and "reward" is untenable in this instance.
Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the **MEASURE** of faith."
Certrainly an interesting article and a worthwhile project. The most pragmatic statement I found in it is quote; "If you excluded faith-based groups, you're excluding the largest number of people willing to be involved," he said. "There's not a whole lot of other people lining up at the prison doors."
Whatever your doctrine it is definitly a task that the church should be involved in.
Matthew 25:36 "Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."
"The late lamented Mr. Denham has put, at the foot of his portrait, a most admirable text, "Salvation is of the Lord." That is just an epitome of Calvinism; it is the sum and substance of it. If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, "He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord." I cannot find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. "He only is my rock and my salvation." Tell me anything contrary to this truth, and it will be a heresy; tell me a heresy, and I shall find its essence here, that it has departed from this great, this fundamental, this rock-truth, "God is my rock and my salvation." What is the heresy of Rome, but the addition of something to the perfect merits of Jesus Christâ€”the bringing in of the works of the flesh, to assist in our justification? And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here." (From a Sermon by C H Spurgeon)