Authy wrote:
I do not perceive Calvinist theology to be non-Biblical therfore I do see where these verses of Romans 13 do harmonise with the rest of Scripture and the power of God over His creation.
Calvin addresses 'civil government' in his Institutes. EG.
Referring to 'Democracy' he says;
"The vice or imperfection of men therefore renders it safer and more tolerable for the government to be in the hands of many,.......
This has always been proved by experience, and the Lord confirmed it by his authority, a type of Messiah." (J.Calvin)
(This may be where we differ and seek another route)

TheManBehindTheManBehindTheMan wrote:
I THANK ALMIGHTY GOD GOD BLESS WIKILEAKS !
GOD BLESS JULIAN ASSANGE !
GOD BLESS THE U.S. AMERICAN & WORLD-WIDE FREE PRESS !

Jonney wrote:
1)

Authy wrote:
1Peter 2:Roman 13
v13.

Authy wrote:
There is no other way of obtaining that selective opinion from a nation group.

So j Murray arees with us all to..

Authy wrote:
1) The subject which we have been debating is whether "All authority comes from God?" Surprise! surprise!

Authy wrote:
They become despotic and dictatorial. Orwell's Animal Farm portrays this where "some become more equal than others."
Tories, conservatives, on the other hand are capitalists and try to increase industry - whilst DECREASING government. That is good politics, and provides more freedom for the individual and his aspirations.

less freedom!

Margaret Thatcher wrote:
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.
Good Conservatives always pay their bills. And on time. Not like the Socialists who run up other people’s bills.
The country might in some ways be a chillier, bumpier, less cosy place—but infinitely more invigorating.

Elmer Schwartz wrote:
The right to participate? Try getting electricity without the #. Try spending your days dealing with ignorant fools (usually professing to be Christian), who will unashamedly deny you, a fellow brother or sister in Christ, food, water, clothing, shelter, work, travel, or learning because you do not have a #, while Imagine, in the future, as you try to buy food at the store, "Health ID Number please?" Or perhaps a hospital visit, "Health ID Number please?"
As you try to inform these fools that participation is optional, they'll reply, "I'm sorry sir but that's our policy." And, "We must enter the number into the system or we cannot proceed."
Watch.
(We already have State religion, btw)

Authy wrote:
Jonny wrote - "nothing on Romans 13" just vauge quotes that had nothing to do with if you vote for one REpulican or voting for the pure devils party Democrates.What "r" you saying???

Chris Perver wrote:
I must concur. Although this story is very sad, and no doubt this trial is a double blow for the parents involved here, praying for a child while not seeking medical help is negligence.
The Word of Faith movement has a lot to answer for here.

Authy wrote:
Why do you keep calling me John?
That is not my name.
*Democracy* is a system of government hence the dictionary states ::
"Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things.....(Or drink): another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.

15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Authy wrote:
, Ch.23)

I believe the Bible before any man Read Ps 2;1 and 2.. he he he. Dont you love the Bible..

Authy wrote:
You seem determined to cut God out of the picture which you have of government. That however is not what Romans 13 teaches.

Authy wrote:
system in which you live in Australia is democracy, where the 'people' choose their representatives

Authy wrote:
Then you will never vote for anyone on earth!
Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
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is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Authy wrote:
3) Do you imply here that we are not to "befriend" anyone until they accede to our evangelistic efforts? their hearts to faith/repent - not us.

Authority comes from God. wrote:
However
"Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject

Coz we know we are not to blindly follow government and that is my point.

Now you apply those verse AND OTHERS.We are not to kill other people because the government says to do it are YOU.We are not take over other government for land and oil, coal,gold are YOU. You are not supposed to take other peoples land and plant utterly polluted seeds (GMO) and cause people to commit suicide because they told them lies like in Brazil, India, mexico the list is endless. Your government that produces porn films vilolence, adultry,every known sin to man. Then you hear people siding with dem or Republic as the answer who care for them except they repent. No No No we are told to submit to the higher powers but not worship them as people around here do!Who is republican who is dem..We are to call government leaders and its people to repent and not side with them till they do befriend them yes. Even if it means getting your head cut off get it yet? The Whole council of God Please.