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5/1/08 9:36 PM |
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How am I changing the subject? The subject is written above and labelled "Survey Topic". The questions I asked pertain directly to that subject yet, once again, you have not answered them, leading me once again to believe that you are being deliberately obtuse.I have made my position perfectly clear and you are the one constantly muddying the waters. Once again, I have a list of questions, and want to know your answers. Try to ignore everything else and just answer the questions. Is there any profit in being a Jew if you are not a Christian? By that I mean, will an ethnic Jew who dies outside of Christ receive any different treatment from God just because of his Jewish ethnicity? If a Jew is a Christian does that make him more of a Christian because of his Jewishness? I could re-state the questions below but they all amount to the same problem, which you refuse to answer. Does God deal with people differently because of their physical ethnicity or because of their relationship with Christ or both? Simple questions Casob, just trying to deal with the survey topic step by step in a systematic fashion. |
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5/1/08 9:10 PM |
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Casob wrote: Lone Wolf, I have a simple question for you before I answer your question. Do you hold that gentile Christians are Jews (Spiritual or otherwise) and that Jewish unbelievers are gentiles? What does that have to do with the Rapture issue?Another classic case of Casob refusing to answer questions and trying to re-direct the discussion. I have (against my better judgement) answered his questions on the appropriate site. This thread pertains to the doctrine of the Rapture. Question; if all believers are raptured away and all unbelievers are "Left behind", who is going to preach to the unbelievers? They can, according to Free Will doctrine, only be converted if someone tries to get them to make a decision. Maybe Billy Graham will be left behind. He is giving every indication of not being a true believer, so the possiblity is there. Puzzling! |
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5/1/08 9:03 PM |
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Does Casob, who quotes me copiously below, deny that Jesus Christ is the only Way?If He is the only Way, then what is the position of those who are not in Christ? Are they not lost and hell-bound? Is there a distinction between Christian Jews and Christians who are not ethnic Jews? Is there a distinction between ethnic Jews who are out of Christ and those who are likewise out of Christ but are not ethnic Jews? Can someone be saved because they are ethnic Jews yet not converted to Christ? Then Christ is not the only Way. If it is true that an ethnic Jew who is an unbeliever is hellbound, is he not on par with an unbelieving non-Jew? I am not interested in apologies. I am interested in the truth of God. Paul says clearly, that if you are not a spiritual Jew (circumcised in the heart) then you are not a true Jew. To be circumcised in the heart is another way of describing regeneration. Therefore if you are regenerate, ie a Christian, then you are circumcised in the heart. You have received the true circumcision. Once again, Jewish ethnicity profits one nothing. There is no benefit in being a Jew. God's dealings with men begin and end with Christ. If anyone, says Paul, preaches another gospel than this, he is accursed. Not my words, go argue with Paul. |
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5/1/08 6:54 PM |
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DJC49 goes out of his way to explain that I OBVIOUSLY meant it in the spiritual sense and Casob replies with, "NO, that is not what he meant."This has gone far enough! It matters not what your ethnic origin is. ALL people of God are registered by God as being born in Zion (Ps 87). God no longer recognises physical ethnicity or being from a particular race as making any difference. He has cast off unbelieving Jews and ingrafted believing Gentiles into spiritual Israel. Ethnic Israel no longer has any meaning for they are outside of Christ. How many parables (eg the wedding feast) did Jesus speak to teach this truth? Many will come from east and west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is not our earthly, physical ethnicity that changes, for the physical and literal are not the true reality - they are but signs of the spiritual reality. I cannot believe that Casob would charge me with believing that when you become a Christian your earthly ethnicity and bloodline changes to one of a Jew. There is no man so blind as he who refuses to see. |
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5/1/08 3:38 AM |
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Romans 8:29 - For whom He foreknew He also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the image of His Son.Romans 9:30 - Moreover whom He PREDESTINED, these He also called. Ephesians 1:5 - Having PREDESTINED us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself. Ephesians 1:11 - Being PREDESTINED according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will. From the Greek - to predetermine or ordain beforehand someone's destiny. Couple this with "ELECT", mentioned some 2 dozen times in the Bible and CHOSEN mentioned numerous more times one wonders why anyone would ask the question, "Does the Bible teach predestination?" One might just as well ask, "Does the Bible teach CREATION?" Now I know that the words ELECT and PREDESTINED and CHOSEN are words that many hate, you must either accept them or try to explain them away. But by the same token there are many who hate the words CREATE and CREATION just as much; along with MIRACLES and DEITY. They don't explain them away, they just refuse to acknowledge them as the Word of God. We call these people "LIBERALS". Now that is a word that makes me upset. But what would you call someone who asks the abovementioned question as if it is up for debate? A Liberal? |
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4/30/08 10:45 PM |
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MurrayA wrote: JD, alias Casob, "Do we use MurrayA's rules? He is consistent in his hermeneutic, he doesn't believe anything literally in this book so Jews meaning Jews is out." Here you go again! It's not enough for you to import your Dispensational scheme into Scripture, and grossly misinterpret texts, such as Eph.2:16, to make them mean the opposite of what they say, but you presume to impute to me positions which I have never stated and do not hold. Well, Paul is not around to set the record straight with the likes of you, but I am. I will not tolerate you twisting my words to make them mean something other than what I have so clearly stated on many occasion, including just recently, e.g. on the subject of Romans 11. "Jews" there means "Jews"! Can you get that straight, or does that too go through your Dispy filter to make me say that there "Jews" means something else? Your persistent misrepresentations and distortions are reprehensible, and if you continue in this vein I will have no option but to hit the abuse button on the grounds of distortion. Ah, so it's not just my skin he is getting under |
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4/30/08 5:40 PM |
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Casob may not know the answer, so I will do my best.They said they were Jews, but they were not. For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God" (Rom 2:28,29). That last part is a play on words as "Jew" is literally "praise". So the Jews you are referring to in the Revelation of St John the Divine, were Jews outwardly and only circumcised outwardly and their Jewishness (their praise) was from men and not from God. "For you are all sons of God thorugh faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:26-29). Is clearer language possible? I still cannot fathom how clear texts like this can still leave people with the impression that those Jews who are not Christians are still somehow the people of God. I guess only Scofield could explain it to me. |
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