Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him"

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Well, "we shall" is future. And there is the matter of that little word "if" -- IF WE BE DEAD WITH CHRIST.

The feds have the technology to find out anything they want, but I don't need or want to advertise my name. A moving target is less likely to get hit than one that stands five feet away with a bullseye painted on their chest.

Anyway, it's my business, so what do you care? Why does anybody care what my moniker is or isn't? I want my privacy, my anonymity, so leave it at that. Is that so hard?

Only malevolent bullies with murder in their heart would try to keep exposing my real name considering the things I post here.

Mock me all you want, but stop trying to out me. It is pure evil to disrespect my privacy in these days we live in and I'm dumbfounded at the malevolent spirit of the many people who try to out me, and I hope instead it's all of you who fall into the pit you've tried to dig for me.

Now JD claims God only loves the Jews, only came for the Jews, only wrote the Bible for the Jews, and on Judgment Day the only thing that will matter is how we dogs treated the Jews or, worse yet, what country we dogs live in whether the government decided to send money to Israel and join in their side to wage World War III, to help them build their temple and establish their phony messiah Antichrist. If you live in the wrong country that didn't treat the Jews right, you automatically go to Hell for the decisions your government made.

What was the use of all those months of lectures on the meaning of "World." Were you serious then or are you serious now? Or were you never serious, just treating the Bible like a parlor game?

Eternal life is eternal life.

We don't enter into this state until we die, and the Bible makes it plain that our faith is tried and tested until that day, and that we can indeed wither on the vine and be broken off, that we can quickly turn to another gospel, that the Word can be stolen away in a split second by Satan's lies (per first example of the Parable of the Sower), that a believer can wither under persecution, and that a once-fruitful Christian can go dry by the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches.

It's not a matter of how much sin. It's a matter of abiding in the vine, repenting from sin, to walk in the spirit to not fulfil the lusts of the flesh.

Jesus said, Why call me Lord, Lord and not do as I say?

All the "smart" people on here who think they can "out" me show how vicious they are in their intent toward me, when I have said repeatedly I value my anonymity very much.

But Jesus said, the measure you mete shall be meted out to you, blessed are the merciful for they shall find mercy.

In other words, what goes around, comes around. God will look after me, and those who hate me and try to hurt me here, God sees and doesn't like it one bit.

Where are Christian men with guardian spirits on this forum? It's disgusting, the cowardly and brutish behavior I see here. I really don't like most of the people who post here, who I find not honest, not thoughtful, without courage and integrity, and who try to get me off the forum by trying to out me. JD and his "friends" communicate privately to get me off by using dirty tricks.

Or Cindy's claim that a new, unsanctified Christian is somehow made perfect forever at the moment of conversion?

Or people who don't believe in OSAS are to be pitied? I guess you go to Hell if you don't believe in the OSAS "gospel."

Or Michael H's claim that he's saved but Hopalong isn't, but doesn't have any particular reason for what he says.

Then there's the usual stuff about how being a do-nothing blob of jello is a virtue and anything else means you're a RC.

The Bible says to contend for the faith, and that's what I'm doing. It says to have nothing to do with the works of darkness, but rather to expose and reprove them, and that's also what I'm doing.

You are the one who is contentious because you were wrong from the start, and you were shown that plainly, and instead of just admitting you were wrong, you have been back and back and back, using JD's dirty tricks to try to make it seem like it is you and not me who twisted the scriptures in Hebrews, by rephrasing what everybody already knows the Bible says, but who you were obviously way off the mark in your own understanding when you first misquoted what Hebrews says.

Did you read the Words in Red in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also in Acts, and what God says in Revelation about being an overcomer?

Do you still think God requires nothing of Christians but a one-time sinner's prayer and then you're "good to go?" If you take the mark or deny Jesus, you still think you're all set? You can sit back and bask in your salvation, mock people who fear God and who admit they are "working out their own salvation with fear and trembling?"

You tried to twist that teaching in Hebrews to justify your OSAS heresy, that if Jesus died once, you only needed to repent and come to Him once.

Just like the people in the OT had to keep going back to be cleansed, so do Christians. Jesus' sacrifice is all-sufficient, but the blood of Jesus must be applied repeatedly, not just once. When we come to Jesus for salvation, our PAST sins are forgiven, not our future ones. Even past sins already forgiven can be "unforgiven" -- as Jesus taught in the story about the man who refused to forgive his debtor.

The Holy Spirit, which is our seal, can be quenched, grieved and insulted away, as Jesus taught when he said to abide in the vine lest we dry up and be broken off.

There's nothing wrong with saying you misread, misunderstood and misapplied the scripture, which is what you in fact did when you said a new Christian is perfected forever.

And was I not correct in telling you that the day would soon come when you would be chastised for posting here at all as a woman?

Did I give you wrong advice when I posted as Peanut Gallery (before Yamil bluelocked the moniker)?

You are half right. I don't like JD AT ALL. I also don't like you either and I told you that before.

The second part, about pretending there's something scriptural involved in the animosity -- that's the part where you are wrong.

When people discuss the Bible, it reveals their inner spirit and heart, and what I see I don't like, a black heart of idolatry to the Jews and hatred toward everyone else, of hatred towards God's Word with a compulsion to nullify it with doctrines of devils (ie Dispensationalism), a hatred of women, a treating of the Bible like a parlor game. I actually get a sense of a very malevolent, dark and nasty spirit from JD's postings.

Now here you are back again promoting the same heresy, and the word "heresy" doesn't even describe what you espouse.

It's not that you're too stupid to understand what you promote because I already hashed this out with you a couple years ago. You well know what you are saying.

You truly believe every person who belongs to a country that doesn't give money to Israel or help them fight WWIII, to build their temple and institute their false messiah in it is going to go to Hell, even though this contradicts every other scripture in the Bible.

You are a wicked, wicked man. You probably already are a Talmudic/Cabalistic Jew, and are here just to disrupt this forum and spread your hatred of God's Word by way of your Hyper Dispensationalism, which does nothing more than nullify almost every word of the Bible so you can reinterpret any word you want to make it say whatever you want, even if it contradicts the entire rest of Scripture.

The word is "lose," not "loose" -- as in Loose Change.

OSAS is a flaming heresy, that's where I'm coming from. OSAS =s antinomianism =s HELL.

At least Calvinists believe there's evidence of persevering, which takes them out of the league of total antinomianism that OSAS proponents subscribe to.

You've abandoned the pure gospel once delivered, and to you OSAS is the gospel.

I asked you why you think you're saved and Hoppy not, and your only answer is that you're not a Catholic?

Just as the first example in the Parable of the Sower, you believe many heresies, and seem to have substituted a belief in antinomian OSAS for a belief in Jesus.

'Scuse me, Mr. Delearney, but both to hear and to follow takes human will, sacrifice and courage on your part. God won't be wafting you around like you're a puppet on a string for his amusement. To "hear" means to listen and obey, and to "follow" means you decide to walk with Jesus, go where he goes, do what he says.

Ah, yes. Here we have JD literally worshipping at the feet of the Jews, espousing doctrines of devils again in the process.

JD thinks the Bible was written for the Jews, which is why he thinks almost all of it doesn't apply to Christians -- maybe a few short epistles by Paul.

JD thinks that even Judgment Day is all about the Jews and how "we treated them." Not if we believe in Jesus, or if we followed Jesus, but how we treated the Jews, how much we believed in and followed the Jews.

We must support the building of their infernal temple, per Hagee and the rest of the Israel Firsters, help to bring on WWIII and the New World Order, the worship of their false Messiah.

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JD, there is not one single thing stopping you from becoming a Jew. You may as well be a Jew, since you obviously prefer Jews to Christians.

"John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:..."

Notice Jesus said his sheep

HEAR his voice

and

FOLLOW Him.

Sounds like conditional salvation to me, meaning if we don't hear his voice and don't follow Him, it means we are not saved, and we need to examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith, and to seek Him while he may still be found, and to "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling."

All these smug people trusting in man-made doctrines nowhere found in the Bible, or wrested and twisted and contorted from isolated scripture --

How could anyone be so nonchalant regarding the future of their own soul, to take the word of the world's idea of salvation, to prefer these big churches with all their trappings to God's Word, to ignore the Words in Red in favor of some lemming pastor who went to a seminary infiltrated by Jesuits and Satanists?

I'm not a Catholic, never have been, and I hate Catholicism. What does the Catholic church and purgatory and all that have to do with your claims that Hoppy isn't saved and you are anyway?

But speaking of the Catholics, didn't Jesus say that you can't patch an old wineskin with a new patch because it will rip and the new wine (ie Holy Spirit) will all run out?

So how can you take something rotten like the Catholic church and "reform" it and expect to get anything else but something else that's just as rotten, maybe worse, just different.

Your Calvinist beliefs came from Augustine, a Catholic monk who was a student of Plato. Plato as you know was completely pagan.

You congratulate yourself that you've arrived, but I don't see where the Bible teaches that anybody has "arrived" until the journey is over, and yours isn't yet, nor are all your future sins automatically forgiven, nor are your past ones that are forgiven cut in stone because God can "take back" even that forgiveness already given, as Jesus explained in the parable about forgiveness.

It doesn't say, he who believed on me 20 years ago, or a week ago, or whenever it was. It says "believeth."

The Bible is full of instructions and warnings about how to abide in the vine, to stay true, to live for God. We are told to count the cost and not look back. It's not an easy-peasy thing, like somebody delivers you a Fed Ex package, and if you accept it and open it, it's yours, but if you let it lay on the step it isn't. It's not over 'til it's over. The third example in the Parable of the Sower was ONCE FRUITFUL, but dried up because of the deceitfulness of riches and the cares of this life, LOST his salvation.

Salvation is conditional, and this is spelled out over and over again. Yes, Jesus takes us as we are, but once we open up that door and invite him in, he owns us, we are bought with a price, and we are not our own any more. If we quench, grieve and insult the Holy Spirit (our seal) away, we have no seal to the day of redemption, and we've shipwrecked our faith.