Neil wrote: there is much arithmetic demonstrated in Scripture...
The ark lands after The Flood. Noah lets all the animals out. Says, "Go and multiply." Several months pass. Noah decides to check up on the animals. All are doing fine except a pair of snakes. "What's the problem?" says Noah. "Cut down some trees and let us live there", say the snakes. Noah follows their advice. Several more weeks pass. Noah checks on the snakes again. Lots of little snakes, everybody is happy. Noah asks, "Want to tell me how the trees helped?" "Certainly", say the snakes. "We're adders, and we need logs to multiply."
After 9-11 George W. Bush warned mathematics professors not to misuse their position to force their often extremist political views on young Americans. "It is my understanding", the president said, "that you are frequently teaching algebra classes in which your students learn how to solve equations with the help of radicals. Homeland security takes a dim view of that;
We have reports that at John F. Kennedy International Airport recently, a Caucasian male (later discovered to be a high school mathematics teacher) was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a compass, a protractor and a graphical calculator.
According to law enforcement officials, he is believed to have ties to the Al-Gebra network. He will be charged with carrying weapons of math instruction. "
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=112071217340]]]The Monstrous Regiment of Women[/URL] is a modern overview of the problem- in this Colin Gunn interview, Swanson delves into the modern church view of women vs a biblical view.
for the classic from which Gunn's excellent,award winning INTENSE film( narrated, and presented entirely by women)title is derived, see
[URL=http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/firblast.htm]]]the First Blast of the Trumpet , etc, by Knox[/URL]
For Knox, the teaching of scripture alone is sufficient to prove that women should not bear rule over men. The testimony of scripture is so plain, he wrote, that "to add anything were superfluous, were it not that the world is almost now come to that blindness, that whatsoever pleases not the princes and the multitude, the same is rejected as doctrine newly forged, and is condemned for heresy" Knox points out that his main argument,... is fundamentally based upon the authoritative word of God. "For as I depend not upon the determinations of men, so I think my cause no weaker, albeit their authority is denied unto me; provided that God by his revealed will, and manifest word, stands plain and evident on my side"
Worth a listen and a read when you see the regiment assemble.
Anna wrote: difficult to form any opinions as to what Bible translation is the "best"
King James freemason homosexual.
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/questionsanswered.htm]]]faq FAST ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS on Bible issue[/URL] such as [URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/kingjames.htm]]]What type of Man was King James & does it matter?[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/didkjvtranslators-say.html]]]Did the KJ Translators Say All Versions Are Good?[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/lovethekjv.htm]]]Can you love the Authorised Bible and not contend over it?[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/kingjamesonlyism.htm]]]What is KingJamesOnlyism ?[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/biblicalinspiration1.htm]]]What is Biblical Inspiration?[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/problemswith.htm]]]How is the Bible Preserved: the doctrine examined[/URL] we believe that the Bible has been infallibly preserved because God has said so, though we are at a loss to explain all of the difficulties with this position. Those who reject the doctrine of preservation mock us because we cannot answer all their questions. Let them mock. We have God's promise on these things. We have an infallible Bible in our hands.
Jim, see [URL=http://www.kjv-asia.com/authorized_version_defence_king_james_bible_versus_geneva_bible.htm]]]AV vs Geneva[/URL]
& re: citing an NAS(still no year?)citing without knowing which year NASB is great error! KJV in the form of the Ryrie KJV Study Bible, is a fit version of the Bible, but why bother? the wordS of God stand alone.
The Preface to the King James Version says that it is not justly to be accepted against, though those ignorant of the history of the Bible align themselves with the `scholarship only'position.
The extra-biblical, RCC-like, Muslim-like belief in `scholars' rather than the words of God is rebuked here [URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/kjvandvulgate.htm]]]Shows the SLANDER of comparing Romanism with AV[/URL]
The Preservation of Scripture is all about wordS. [URL=http://www.kjv-asia.com/authorized_version_defence_verbal_plenary_preservation.htm]]]Preserved wordS[/URL]
No one on the Authorised Bible project later denounced it,as Logsden did the NAS. - ONE that was... "better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark.â€ť [URL=http://www.learnthebible.org/king_james_translators.htm]]]King James Translators[/URL]
kenny wrote: We don't allow murderers or rapists to run around commiting their sinful inclinations and we shouldn't allow sodomites to, either.
AMEN! [URL=http://www.covenantnews.com/rudd010411.htm]]]Sodomy is a CRIME[/URL]
[URL=http://covenantnews.com/rudd010502.htm]]]Preaching to sodomites[/URL] By first preaching "...the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Eph. 6:17), to unbelievers concerning the sin that they are publicly flaunting, it not only convicts them of their sin ("For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" Heb. 4:12), it is the means by which they become believers. (Rom. 10:17)
[URL=http://www.covenantnews.com/rudd060607.htm]]]Civil officials have a God ordained duty to execute sodomites.[/URL]
ANOTHER inducement to repent is the stigma of a civil law that reflects the will of God. [URL=http://www.aboms.com/]]]abominations grow in countries that scoff at God's Law[/URL] and when the Churches that people see are not outraged at this, it only gets worse... as seen in many of the stories in the above link.
Mike wrote: Holy Spirit is unable to overcome language changes
The Holy Spirit will convict over corruption of the wordS of God.
[URL=http://www.av1611.org/kjv/mess_bible.html]]]The MessAGE mystic 'bible' Mess[/URL] This article will barely scratch the surface of the mystic New Age religion filling The Message. [URL=http://www.av1611.org/biblewrd.html]]]BIBLE WORDS REMOVED[/URL] ". . .man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." Luke 4:4
Most people believe the new versions are just "harmless" updating of words and made easier to understand. Nothing could be further from the Truth! The new versions "take out" and "add" thousands of words. And as with Eve (see Genesis 3:1), it s all done very subtil. The average reader would never know the difference!
[URL=http://www.av1611.org/attack.html]]]attacks on the Bible[/URL] God has placed a lot of importance upon His words.
Matthew 24:35 reads, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my WORDS shall not pass away." Psalms 138:2 says, ". . . for thou hast magnified thy WORD above all thy name." Psalms 119:89 says, "For ever, O LORD, thy WORD is settled in heaven." The spiritual life-blood of the human race is the word of God. 1st attack? "yea, hath God said..?"Gen3:1
Jay Miklovic wrote: Paul Washer - Preaches from the NASB. .... liberal heretic.
An Ad hominem appeal to authority of EVANGELIST (Washer's expertise) vs. Bible text authorities? Heterodoxy appears in many conservatives. Warn brethren when we see that they undercut what they purport to profess.
Can we trust "the Bible"? Washer would say yes. What IS 'the Bible'? Without telling us what YEAR NASB, the authority is undercut. As I said earlier-9/18/08 3:12 PM NASB based on which Nestle/Aland Greek? Laurence M. Vance shows this is needed in Double Jeopardy:which NASB? showing 95NAS has 7000 less words than 77NAS. The ever changing NASB is not a solid foundation. [URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/isthebibleversion.htm]]]IS THE BIBLE VERSION ISSUE worth contending for?[/URL]
We can find value in preaching of many brethren with whom we have differences, we eat the fish and spit out the bones- when brethren use flawed 'paraphrase' bibles, those of us who have the Authorised Bible have no problem correcting them when they cite a flawed text. But quite often the texts used are the same. But we do correct errors even in brethren. e.g. [URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/nivowner.htm]]]NIV ,TNIV OWNER BIG PORNOGRAPHY PUBLISHER[/URL]
Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
[to the question from Pikestaff about "every word and syllable"9/18/08 3:01 PM] exact words must be less important than thought.
[URL=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/TNIV/tniv-translation_treason.htm]]]TNIV TREASON modern vernacular ATTACKS the wordS of God[/URL] [URL=http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_jesus.html]]]The Lord Jesus Christ attacked by Modern Vernacular[/URL] [URL=http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html]]]Pro Sodomite 'bible' TNIV by vernacular changes[/URL]
As for ideas vs wordS listen to [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=43081156570]]]the Concept Bibles Dr. William VanKleeck[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=58081731500]]]Christ's Appreciation and Application of the Words Charles Nichols on the message given by exact wordS[/URL] each word is important to Him, Proverb 30:5-6 ; Revelation 22:18,19 John 6:63;Matthew 5:18, etc.
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=76082057568]]]Did God Preserve His Words or Only Thoughts? [/URL]
a short paper [URL=http://www.purewords.org/kjb1611/html/kjv1611.htm]]]WordS preserved by God [/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=590816778]]]wordS of God[/URL] Strouse
Funny that Jim recommends the Geneva with its 1 Tim.1 v10 "To whoremongers, to buggerers, to menstealers, to liars, to the perjured, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to wholesome doctrine.." [URL=http://www.genevabible.org/files/DailyScripture/1Timothy1footnotes.htm]]]1 Timothy 1 ;GENEVA BIBLE 1599[/URL] after feigning shock at the straighforward language of the AV this seems inconsistant.
(& It is interesting that Jim finds a girl to commiserate with in swoooning at manly AV English.)
Now, the Greek of the Geneva is almost the same as the AV, but the sandy foundations of the Critical Greek of the NASB changes from year to year. How can Jim recommend them both? Different things are not the same.
And still, Jim doesn't tell us WHICH NASB he's recommending: based on which Nestle/Aland Greek? Laurence M. Vance shows this is needed in [URL=http://www.biblebelievers.com/Vance3.html]]]Double Jeopardy:which NASB?[/URL] showing 95NAS has 7000 less words than 77NAS. [URL=http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/whbins.html]]]The ever changing NASB [/URL] [URL=http://www.preservedword.com/article.php?id=114]]]NASB Committee Member Logsdon rejected the NASB[/URL] No founder of the AV came back later and renounced IT!
Only if you can digest it, including the vitamin B12 you need- similar to people who take calcium pills- later on, many times scans of their guts show a big collection of calcium tabs setting around undigested. as Bronny said "B12 deficiency in the elderly is nothing new, and it is usually caused by the lack of an enzyme necessary to digest B12 from food, called the Intrinsic Factor. Many peoples' digestive system stops producing the Intrinsic Factor as they age, and even if they were to consume loads of the vitamin B12 in their food, it would not be absorbed. Clearly, eating more meat would not benefit these people."
This is similar to people who sit in church and never digest the gospel. Eze33:31-33 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness. And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not. And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.
Lance Eccles wrote: entirely outside the scope of science.
[URL=http://www.philoonline.org/library/smith_1_1.htm]]]Science (in modern sense) precludes God!!![/URL] This paper suggests that "one can predict everything in the universe solely from physical laws. Thus, the long-standing 'first cause' problem in cosmology has been dispelled." This cosmology has eliminated the need to postulate an originating cause of the universe's beginning. Stephen Hawking has famously said "there is no place for a Creator." The author shows that the very explanation of the universe offered by quantum cosmology implies that quantum cosmology is logically incompatible with theism, and a quantum God does not exist. but this is an example of [URL=http://www.icr.org/article/4098/]]]Empiricism: A Glaring Flaw of New Atheism[/URL]
Atheism is a worldview in which there is no God. Adherents believe that life sprang from natural forces, not an intelligence, and that the cosmos made itself--or at least organized itself out of raw materials that were just there. "New atheists" include Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion; Christopher Hitchens, who wrote God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything; and Sam Harris, with The End of Faith, etc.
Bronny wrote: B12 deficiency in the elderly is nothing new, and it is usually caused by the lack of an enzyme necessary to digest B12 from food, called the Intrinsic Factor.
Which is why many have regular B12 injections- Or, the new [URL=http://www.b12patch.com/vitaminb12/vitamin-b12-injections.html]]] B12 Patch is a new product [/URL]
Vitamin B12 injections are painful. There can be complications from vitamin B12 injections, such as infection or nerve damage. Over time, scar tissue builds up at vitamin B12 injections sites and keeps the vitamin B12 from being absorbed.
The patch method allows one to avoid a trip to the doc, and , being easier to access, would possibly keep one more up to date with a boost of the needed vitamin.
enough already wrote: Lance, you seem uncertain as to how everything began.
[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/4092/]]]Changing the truth of God into a lie[/URL] "In fact, the number of Bible colleges, seminaries, and Christian universities that have abandoned the plain-sense reading of Scripture is increasing at an alarming rate as more and more academicians in Christian higher education acquiesce to hybrid theories that seek to "unify" Scripture with evolutionary processes."
"More disturbing are the Christian leaders who allow science to govern their interpretation of Scripture, touting "new discoveries" that "prove" evolutionary claims, and treating the Genesis account as a mere framework for expressing the fact that God created, rather than as a narrative relating the actual details of God's work during the creation week." "Consider this fact: Since 2004, nearly 12,000 pastors throughout the U.S. have signed a statement rejecting the biblical doctrine of creation. Called "An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science" "
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
hidemi williges wrote: Let me ask you a question. What is more important; knowing where the Antichrist sits in the EU or leading as many people as possible in getting saved?
AMEN, first things first! Jud 1:20-25 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen