Discerning Believer wrote: Is that suppose to be a threat? Perhaps we should call your pastor and tell him about your behavior on these forums. Also the fact that you claim to be a doctor, but will not post your credentials where you earned your degree. If it is an honorary doctorate, where from?
Hellow. I can only do so if you provide a number. How is that a threat?
Also, I can give you the phone number to Pastor Luciano if you'd like after we have a three-way converstation with your pastor.
Terry, I am not sure what your question is but perhaps writing it in a complete sentence would help.
Discerning Believer wrote: I said most other dispensationalist, not all of them Yamil. Perhapd JD would like to answer the question as well. He seems to oppose the doctrine from what I've gathered. Also pertaining to Rom 11:32, there is a definite article before the last "all" in the Greek, it is "them all". This would limit "all" to a specific group of people, not the entire human population.
1. "Them" is not a definite article. You need a refresher in English grammar.
2. The specific group of people would have to be the gentiles since that is "alls" antecedent. So thanks for giving more validation to my point, although it was a perverted one.
3. Let's have a three-way conversation with your pastor so that he can know exactly how you feel about "most" dispensationalist.
DB wrote: You may not believe this, but the bible tells us, Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" You may disagree again, but you are included in that group. And so am I.
Of course I do. And of course you know that. But, as usual, its easier to argue against a lie than it is to argue against the truth.
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Romans 11:32 wrote: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
If you believe that all have sinned, then you should not have a problem believing the same God that states he wants to have mercy upon all. Try redefining "all."
Please do. I need a good laugh.
Romans 11:32 wrote: Of course you probably believe like most other dispensationalist that you were born divinely perfect without a sin nature.
Let's have a three-way conversation with your pastor and repeat those words to him please so that (#1) he understands you and (#2) he understands what lies you say of him.
Mike wrote: "2. As for Yamil's suggestion that quote "anyone can have saving faith." - ??? Yamil please note that those who have "saving faith" - **ARE** Saved." Elliot, are you saying those who have saving faith will be saved, or that the saved will have saving faith? What is the chronology between salvation and saving faith?
It depends on which answer defends Calvinism the best.
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, the elect sin as well, so that is not much of an exception. Try again.
So let's get back on topic.
The topic is not whether man can sin, the topic is whether or not man can have faith.
God has endowed every person with the cognizant ability to have faith. No where in the Bible does it state that there are some that cannot have faith. The problem of disbelief is not a problem of ability but of volition. If it were a problem of ability then you have a god that will judge men for something that they have no control over. If it is a problem with volition, then God is the more just to send you to hell.
1. Wishful thinking. 2. Ok. So anyone can be saved. Thanks for agreeing with me. 3. Strawman. Their are more options than the one's Calvinist set forth. 4. That's not for you to decide. It's for God to decide. Your extra-biblical opinion has zero value. 5. Some more wishful thinking. "You" can easily reffer to monkeys if I were to use your hermeneutics.
Conclusion: God has endowed every person with the cognizant ability to have faith. No where in the Bible does it state that there are some that cannot have faith. The problem of disbelief is not a problem of ability but of volition. If it were a problem of ability then you have a god that will judge men for something that they have no control over. If it is a problem with volition, then God is the more just to send you to hell.
Discerning Believer wrote: JD, How can it be by grace and by faith at the same time.
Because that's what the Bible clearly states silly.
Discerning Believer wrote: Question is, Is faith the grounds of justification? Is it what causes God to justify us, or is it the means by which we believe on that justification already provided?
It is the means by which we believe on that justification already provided. God offers justification to all. Only those that meet the condition of faith will have it imputed unto them.
Joel Beeke wrote: It is critical to note that nowhere in Scripture is faith (or any other grace) represented as constituting some ground of merit for justification.
I agree. You will also be surprised to know that nowhere in the world is faith viewed as a meritous act. It's only a Calvinist strawman thrown at those who believe that anyone can have saving faith, not just the elect. Thanks for proving my point.