God is a master of irony, see how dawkins hates the God of the Bible and hates christians so God gives him these 'friends'

Lee wrote:
Sex Perverts? I hate it how many people are willing to call gay's perverts etc... though would you say the same about a straight unmartial sexual relationship?
We need to be a lot more sensitive and loving about the way we speak about homosexuality. We've elevated it to a position of being worse than other sins like lying and adultery.
Do I think homosexuality is a sin? Yes. But frankly the way some evangelicals speak about homosexuals is criminal.

If Gods people had obeyed the Biblical standard even tho a minority i dont believe we would be seeing the present normalisation of sodomy

the normalisation of divorce and remarriage first then fornication, then sodomy next will be bestiality and pedophilia

seems some people in Haiti can make the connection betwen God and the earthquake - unlike some people on here ! (God sends the eartquakes, no 'natural' disasters )

Alan H wrote:
prince charles,
I think you misunderstood me when I mentioned opening "a can of worms." I was speaking only of the statement which I made concerning God's predetermination of the elect, saying, "God has determined in eternity that which is yet to be fulfilled in time." That's why I added, "Man, I can hear it now!" I expected to get jumped...

Alan H wrote:
prince charles, I agree with John UK & Michael.

the ask jesus theology is so widespread here that ive never heard anyone except me chalenge it, after all it sounds reasonable enough like the JW's until you start taking a closer look

If this is a can of worms i think its one thats worthwhile opening given the universal use of 'the phrase' also we are dealing with a great mystery here so its not suprising that understanding is hard to come by

As you say I am glad to talk about how God dealt with me but sadly, I am offended at the trivial way that it was received.

Also I am concerned for my familys doctrine as this man offered to lead our Bible study and since we had prayed for more people to come to the group and he became available so I thought it was an answer to prayer but now I am beggining to wonder if God is displeased that i didnt carry on as before since we were well blessed before and is teaching me a lesson about faithfulnes

Michael Hranek wrote:
I have to thank God. I first came across Paris Reidhead's wonderfully convicting message "10 Shekels and a Shirt" here on sermon audo. And I was greatly blessed to happened

I always say when i relate it that it must be what the unrepentant sinner experiences at judgement to late everything is made horribly clear, divinely imparted needing only the presence of Gods glory, I have thanked God that he allowed me this when there was still time.

John UK wrote:
Hello Charles
Tell me, when you "passed from death unto life" by the grace of God, were you aware at that time of "effectual calling and unconditional election"?

Michael Hranek wrote:
prince charles
I can hardly believe what you wrote.
Always saved???

The inference was when were you saved ? To which i replied the question was false since through the providence of God my name was written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was laid, the correct question is when were you made aware of your election and calling and hence prompted to to take the neccessary steps of believing and repenting

the 'ask jesus into your life ' brigade want a formulaic account of conversion which accords with in this case baptist orthodoxy and youd better parade it for them or else !

As i pointed out last night the bible does NOT say
'ask jesus into your heart and you will be saved'

such error is works religeon

Alan H wrote:
Here's the real problem: we used to have a God who was a Savior, now we have a god who must wait.

A retd baptist minister was asking me about my 'conversion experience' and then asked me so when did you ask jesus into your heart? as we talked i thought this is dumb - the bible doesnt say that, and i told him it was piece of baptist formula and that as one of the elect i was always saved its a question of when one becomes aware of your election and calling with of course the neccesary repentance and signs of conversion and sealing

Men like this will accept any profesion of faith so long as its accompanied by the appropriate catechism, in this case 'asking jesyus into your heart' you can live like a devil thereafter you are still a christian

i had the scattergun verses treatment but they dont justify the position

satan is not busy in the bars and workplaces, his job is done there, he is working hard amongst the brethren

Neil wrote:
Interestingly, T.E. Lawrence, in his book "Seven Pillars of Wisdom," recorded rather scandalous interpersonal habits of Arab soldiers while campaigning against the Turks during WW1.
So maybe the pot is calling the kettle black here?

When I went ashore off the ships anywhere from turkey eastwards I would see men holding hands and being a slim handsome youth myself in those days would occasional receive certain 'appraising' looks but it wont stop the immams from using the wests codifying of this behaviour as a propagands tool

once i tied up next to another ship at a place at the bottom of the red sea and the other ships crew were from sri lanka and they were caressing each other on deck !

ErnieG wrote:
These homosexuals are one of the reasons that the Muslims are calling the USA infidels and are at war with us.

ellen wrote:
Divorce is out of question to me, GOD hates it..and so l have to hate it too.

I do myself, mathew 29 i believe teaches that divorce is only available on the grounds of fornication (relations before marriage) since jesus uses adultery and fornication in the same passage He must have done so for a reason, ie they are different things

The modern church has compromised on this issue to disastrous effect allowing people to divorce and remarry but Jesus taught that if you remarried you were an adulterer, its a hard teaching but it seems clear enough

what do you think ?(we dont have many women on here !)

Steve Middleton wrote:
As for Benny and a His salvation, He is saved and you Have no Authority to Judge Him.

John UK wrote:
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Praise God for grace to see it.

btw that quote from 1cor
1 Corinthians 2
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.---NASB

in the KJ that last word is 'discerned'

which seems better to me because
' apparaised ' suggests some natural faculty on the part of the reader or hearer to evaluate what he has heard and find the truth whereas the bible teaches that we are given to understand as a gift