Quack Yamil As you may know the word *fanciful* can mean unreal and imaginery. Bearing this in mind it is more appropriate in english usage, to apply it to the arminian/synergist, sinners free will salvation by works that your religion embodies.
Talking about hurricanes!! The wind blowing through the non-Reformed churches is well described here.
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
JD wrote: Your past comments have taught me that your are the most ill equipped calv on the forum to defend your positions. You rarely make any sense and you offer lots of smoke to cover your ignorance of Scripture and your own adopted doctinal system. No one has to take my word for it. They just need to read your comments for a while. You can fake it for just so long!
I'm really glad you identify the difference between us so clearly for all to see.
By the grace of God I'm also glad that I'm not Like you per your::
* Dispy PreTrib/Premil. * Of the 19th century religion of Darby/Scofield et al. * Not to mention poor little dreamer, Margaret MacDonald. * Anti-Covenant (even though God established the Covenant of Grace) * Divisionary of Scripture. * Literalist. * Revisionist. * Rejecter of Israel contrary to Romans 11. * Numerologist. * Synergist/Arminian. * Papist synpathiser.
I'm sure I may have missed some of your qualifications JD. But we can pick these up from your future revelations.
May the Lord one day, bring you into the full counsel of God.
Quack Yamil Luciano wrote: Now here is the biggest irony in this debate: The Calvinist (Walt and Seaton) favor divorce which would mean that one can lose his salvation, while the full blown Arminian (Abigail and Spiritual) propose the opposite which would affirm eternal security. Am I the only one that see the irony out of all this? That's why you should stick with me folks. (wink-wink)
As per usual Quack Yamil is making it up as he goes along. This of course is the Arminian/synergist religion. If indeed you do "stick with him" then you will be a fully qualified heretic in no time, as the historic Canons declare.
These words are taken from the Bible a book which Yamil is still floundering with.
1Cor 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."
This is the Word of God!
As opposed to the teachings of the Non-Reformed Church.
As for "irony" Dictionary says = "the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning"
Isn't that the definition of Arminianism; viz "salvation by human effort"
""I am sorry but I believe you "JD" are lost if the testimony of words can be believed. You are not able to see and perceive spiritual truth and always resort to humanistic reasoning and counsel.
You deny truth that is presented to you plainly because it does not fit your religious template.
For one to think the repentant sinner "can first defeat the ends of sin and only then be *rewarded* with the Holy Spirit, who is given as a gift and essentially defines the grace of God, is to miss the whole essence of NT truth concerning the church, the new birth, and the family of God.
Blindness (ignorance) is the pitiful condition of the non-Reformed. I am not happy about this. I am sad!""
= This JD is why we continue to identify you with the papist/arminian doctrine of salvation by works. Or is it self aggrandisement???
1Cor 5:11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
The problem of course is within the denomination rather than the secular legislation. Had the church itself not commited the transgression of putting women into the pulpit, then this could never happen. The solution is if your denomination leaves the Bible, then YOU must leave the church!
For this reason True Christians should leave the C of England, the C of Scotland and the Baptist Union churches.
Dr. Frankenstien Yamil Luciano wrote: I am just content being the Weapon of Mass Instruction, the heretical destoyer of truth and the Doctor in charge of the pollution of all Truth. I prescribe me a much needed sincere heart.
Lying about having a doctorate again Yamil the papist proclaimer of salvation by Yamil's own ego.
Abigail wrote: Two wrongs do not make a right. If one person sins, that is no reason for the other to disobey God's commandments. People marry carelessly. They become physically attracted and think they are in love,
What are you talking about Abigail???
I was referring to TWO PEOPLE getting married then one becomes a Christian the other does not. Thus if the non Christian decides to divorce, then there is NOTHING the Christian can do about it, is there?
As to "people marrying carelessly" as you put it. Question Abigail are you married? Do you know what the experience of "young" love is like?
They may not seek God and His law because they may not be Christian, at that stage in their lives, if so then HE will not have an input. Not everybody is a Christian you know.
Just look at the church goers at Matt 7:21-23, if they marry and divorce then it will be because of their lack of God's law in them!!
John wrote: Yamil's posts usually annoy me with their Arminian overtones, but on this thread he is my HERO because he vigorously preaches against the 90% of my fellow reformers who still think divorce is OK
Divorce is not ok. The human condition is not ok. The human condition is totally depraved. Sin can not be overcome by the mortal as the Arminians like Yamil believe.
Human beings are not perfect surprise! surprise!
Divorce like sin, iniquity and transgression is a REALITY in this world.
We would all like to remove these vile and depraved ways of men and women.
But then REALITY!
Just as Yamil suffers from being in the law of sin and the flesh, he too could suffer divorce. Arminian religion does not protect us from sin any more than the true Biblical religion does.
Moses provided a certificate of divorce for the Israelites, (Deut 24) because of the "hardness of their heart." (Matt 19:8) This commodity is not the unique preserve of the Isrealites, as is evidenced in society and churches today.
Two people enter into marriage. One may be a Christian or may become a Christian, not necessarily both. Divorce sadly may thus become a REALITY for them.
"Indwelling sin always abides whilst we are in this world; therefore it is always to be mortified. The vain, foolish, and ignorant disputes of men about perfect keeping the commands of God, of perfection in this life, of being wholly and perfectly dead to sin, I meddle not now with.
It is more than probable that the men of those abominations never knew what belonged to the keeping of any one of God's commands, and are so much below perfection of degrees, that they never attained to a perfection of parts in obedience or universal obedience in sincerity.
And, therefore, many in our days who have talked of perfection have been wiser, and have affirmed it to consist in knowing no difference between good and evil. Not that they are perfect in the things we call good, but that all is alike to them, and the height of wickedness is their perfection.
Others who have found out a new way to it, by denying original, indwelling sin, and tempering the spirituality of the law of God unto men's carnal hearts, as they have sufficiently discovered themselves to be ignorant of the life of Christ and the power of it in believers, so they have invented a new righteousness that the gospel knows not of, being vainly puffed up by their fleshly minds."(J. Owen)
""In view of the conviction that "religion has a big, positive role to play in the search for global peace and harmony", the WCC general secretary announced the council's intention to propose that the UN declare a "Decade of Inter-religious Dialogue and Cooperation for Peace".""
Liberalism is of course the religion of the WCC, and the politics of the UN. So both go hand in hand in the world today anyway. Their desire to "merge" religions is no new thing to those who can't read the Bible, or receive the True Biblical Doctines.
As for "global peace and harmoney" this is about as possible to mankind as - Liberals teaching the Truth.
Jesus taught::- Matt 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Quote 1] ""Now Kennedy uses "The Way to Happiness" as a how-to supplement to his sermons. He believes it is easier to understand and clearer to follow than ancient Scriptures taken from the Bible.""
= If you can't receive the Truth from Scripture - Then you will use and apply the alternatives. How to form a heresy has not changed down through the centuries.
Quote 2] When asked whether Scientology's values contradict the religion of Jesus Christ, Kennedy replies, "Sometimes yes. Sometimes no." But he says his congregation can relate to "The Way to Happiness."
= Happiness in this world is precisely what Satan wants you to find. That brings you to seek outside the True Church and Biblical Doctrines. Classic cultology. (And of course social gospel)
The fact that we see here "Pentecostal" and "Episcopalian" preachers, speaks volumes to the error of their ways.
If you require the Bible to be read and taught properly then you have to attend a Reformed Church.
Abigail wrote: I do believe the principal effect cause of the performance of this duty is the Spirit. I am very aware that without the Spirit we can do nothingâwe are nothingâwe are helpless. I do not believe in irresistible grace. God draws us by His Spirit and gives us desire to come to Him, but we can resist or submit. ...freewill does not minimize the power of the Spirit
1] Principal cause of "performance" is Spirit. 2] Helpless without Spirit. 3] BUT Grace is "resistible" 4] God draws by Spirit. 5] Provides desire. 6] BUT we can resist. 7] We have free will to resist.
This seems paradoxical Abigail.
If you conclude the Spirit is "cause" in mortifying sin and subsequently "live" due to this cause. Then the mortal is NOT cause. If as you say we are "helpless" without the Spirit. Then we can do zero to mortify and live.
How then can we "resist" the power of the Spirit?
God draws. - But HE apparently is not "God" enough to overcome the mortal. The "desire" which HE provides is insufficient to the purpose of God to save?
You seem to suggest that not only does the sinner have "free will" - but that it is omnipotent. Whereas if free will does not "minimise" the power of the Spirit - Why does HE not achieve saving?
Michael Hranek wrote: Your previous posts and others seem to give the impression that Calvinists don't believe they are responsible to do anything,
Of course, Michael that is not true. We believe that we have a greater responsibility to God than those who are outside the church. What we don't accept is that human effort, prior to the receipt of Grace and the Holy Spirit, contributes anything to coming to Christ, repentance...etc.
Tell me, what do you think is the solution to Paul's conundrum here?
Ro 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Seaton, you have fallen into the same error that the great
Error?? Error?? Jim what are you saying?? ME in Error??
As for Gil and his TUIP as opposed to TULIP. Tell him my advice is to study harder.
Remember TULIP 5 points was a Biblical reaction to the Arminian Remonstrance 5 points. If you remove the centre piece "L" then the cards come tumbling down, and you end up an arminian heretic.
Article 8 (2nd Head) Canons of Dordt.
"For this was the sovereign counsel, and most gracious will and purpose of God the Father, that the quickening and saving efficacy of the most precious death of His Son should extend to all the *ELECT,* for bestowing upon *THEM ALONE* the gift of justifying faith, thereby to bring them infallibly to salvation: that is, it was the will of God, that Christ by the blood of the cross, whereby He confirmed the new covenant, should effectually redeem out of every people, tribe, nation, and language, all those, and *THOSE ONLY,* who were from eternity chosen to salvation and given to Him by the Father; that He should confer upon them faith, which together with all the other saving gifts of the Holy Spirit, He purchased for them by His death..." (NB also art # 9)
Abigail wrote: Pray tell, how do you Calvinists mortify the deeds of the body so that you are not living after the fleshâsince you believe that "not of works" means abandonment of the moral law and
Ah now, dear Abigail You agreed with the post below. But Did you not read Owen's statement. Quote (first line) "The principal efficient cause of the performance of this duty is the Spirit:"
Grace and the Holy Spirit IS the ONLY means by which any mortal can repent and come to Christ. Prior to this all are "dead in sin" and at enmity with God.
Therefore the "efficient cause" of the duty of mortifying sin is THE Holy Spirit.
As the verse states. "but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Walking in the flesh is the "old man" Walking in the Spirit is the "new man" When the Lord saved me His promise is that I am saved by Grace and the Holy Spirit. Since that time my life thoughts and heart have changed and still continue to do so. The Holy Spirit sanctifies me, which is an ongoing work in progress.
1Co 6:11 "...but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" 2Th 2:13 "chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit"