Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Elmer, I think what some have been asking for in this thread and another is your personal statement of faith so they can understand and go from there. You seem to keep dodging the questions. Are you afraid some won't like your answer? The way I look at it is we all came from somewhere/something, of which, not much was good, so feel free to express your views and who you're aligned with in order to give a proper picture, and they can go from there. Nobody will give you a difficult time unless you try to push false doctrine with a closed mind. Like I said, we we all something/somewhere else once.

It is written: ...Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us....

...For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one...

...In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....

...Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist....

...Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake....

Troll Spotter wrote:

Michael Hranek wrote:
Dear Elmer K. Yoder, Ohio
I have been reading your posts
and seeking to understand where you are coming from
Would you mind sharing briefly what your beliefs are
It would really help in comprehension and communication
Thank you

pennned wrote:
Elmer Yoder, you haven't established anything on this topic.
GS, greetings to you and yours. I think you've made a good point here.
I've been scratching my head through this thread. Israel had a death penalty during the OT era when they were a nation under Mosaic law. I'm not arguing pro/con for today even, but can we be accurate with the scriptures?

Why is the Calvinist and like-minded Calvinist painting not accurate? Are they not murderers, killers, and State Supremacists? Do their precious creeds and faith statements profess otherwise?

Troll Spotter wrote:
Basically you deny the trinity? If so, whatever you believe, you're not a Christian -IOW a true believer in Jesus Christ.
Re: Calvinist painting - only accurate if you're into misrepresenting the position.

GSTexas wrote:
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Executing wrath upon him that doeth evil seems to justify the death penalty to me.

Yes! Not possible for the entire earth to observe the sabbath at the same time. But remember, the sabbath is a precise day, so we must question if this observance was for people on the entire earth or for those in a certain location where the precise day could be known and observed by all at the same time.

MG wrote:
The Roman calendar works with the Sabbath. There's only 7 days in a week! It's impossible to all observe at the same time. The earth is a sphere

Either way, how do all the believers all around the world observe a sabbath at the same time?

MG wrote:
Elmer: Gregorian calendar with the Hebrew names. Shabbat= Saturday.

MG wrote:
Elmer, here we go: 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, 6th day -- Shabbat! (Gen 1+2)

Elmer K. Yoder wrote:
How do you know Saturday is the 7th day?

The Calvinist painting is accurate, though I do realize non-Calvinists share the same murderous spirit of Calvinism too.

Why do you think it's not accurate?

Troll Spotter wrote:
Who believes in a 9 god trinity? Or is this another silly caricature like the one painted of a calvinist?

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MG wrote:
Elmer, GOD is not a confusing God. We are the problem because we're not gods as we unknowingly often think. Also, the current Saturday is the seventh day (from Friday evening). It hasn't been changed by world governments - yet. Study the Word and you'll see what we are to do. GOD had told us.

Troll Spotter wrote:
Elmer, what's your agenda with all these questions? If you have the answers, which is the clear impression, why not give them, instead of your constant barbed questions?

carl haydock wrote:
He speaks to me through his word. Sola scriptura. Not this silly pentecostal type garbage. If i want to hear God i read his word. Simple

Another question, should we celebrate Jewish feasts as well?

And I haven't seen an answer to the following:

If there is a 7th day sabbath that is supposed to be so special, how do we know when the proper day is?

When we figure that out, what exactly are we to be doing and not doing?

If there is a 1st day sabbath or a "Lord's Day" that is supposed to be so special, how do we know when the proper day is?

When we figure that out, what exactly are we to be doing and not doing?

Oh, just a thought, I don't here any concern about obeying the remaining 6 days.

From sunset to sunrise is a good answer, but how do we know when the 6th day ("Friday") of the week is?

MG wrote:
I grew up with Sunday and have changed to Saturday less than 18 months ago. The change was made after a lot of study, prayer and (dare I say it) courage.

carl haydock wrote:
How many think God "speaks" to them? God told me. The most cringeworthy phrase in christendom

SteveR wrote:
That is correct Elmer. Further, the Noahide Laws apply to ALL men, whereas the Mosaic Law only to Covenant people. That Noahide law doesnt provide a process for the appointment of an executioner.