Observer wrote: OK. So, how does one suddenly obtain this volition apart from a prior work of God?
I suppose you are saying that you used to be a machine that lacked cognizant mental faculties.
Referring to "the power of God unto salvation" Verna wrote: It is only that "power" in the believer. Grace and the Holy Spirit enables the elect to believe.
So now we have "believers" in need of eternal salvation. It's called the F_anciful L_and of the Calvinist. If anyone would like to make similar ridiculous statement all you have to do is to sovereignly uphold your theological bias over the Word of God.
Such as DB when...
he wrote: It is the power of God unto salvation for those who already are believers.
Verna wrote: Thus it reveals what you keep trying to exclude. = Namely God's involvement.
She must mean God's arbitrary force because God is the one that offers salvation and we are the one that are commanded to receive it. Or maybe she finds it easier to argue against a ghost.
Walt wrote: There is so much more evidence just now surfacing that will be published over the next few years on what happened during 1648-1651 and beyond, caused by Cromwell and the Independents, that will hopefully change many people's minds.
Let me guess: They were all written by full-blown hyper-calvinists who have an equal hatred of independents. Hardly an objective opinion. Funny how Walt can run to these and ignore all the historical books that plainly state that John Calvin persecuted heretics.
Enquirer wrote: Thank you Dr Luciano. I have a few more questions, if you would not mind.
1. Yes 2. I have not read the book, but I ascribe to the 5 fundamentals of the faith as described therein. 3. I doubt the Fundamentals as originally written confronts this issues. Fundamentalists originally consisted of both Calvinists and non-Calvinists. 4.I call myself a fundamentalist on the basis of its original term.
I am an Idependent Fundamental Baptist preacher. Since "independant and Baptist" further describe me, I see no need to add more to the definition of "fundamental" more than it is. I am a fundamentalist on the basis that I agree on the five fundamentals of the faith.
Kevin, the Calvs hate when one tells the truth about John Calvin. Last time I brought the issue up with the same historical documentation to prove it, I can almost see their fangs coming through my monitor.
It's man worship, if you ask me.
Walt wrote: On the other hand, those who put our trust alone in Christ's righteousness to save sinners, even original sin, can have faith that God called this baby into His heavenly kingdom.
Hmm. What, does, Walt have a crystal ball that now tells him who is elect and who is not?
R.K. wrote: But, Calvin while he was instrumental in the construction of state government in Geneva, did not initiate the execution but let the Law of the Land take its course against heresy.
Yes, of course, and every single encyclopedia in the world conspired against John Calvin by writing lies about him.
Linda wrote: Dr. Luciano--I agree with you, too!! I printed off your comments on this issue and my son Seth Hawkins is very encouraged by you, and so am I!! Keep standing steadfast; you are not alone. Neither was Daniel. Fight on.
Well, I was very encouraged by his sermon. Interesting how that works.
Don Fortner wrote: Anyone who believes that salvation is determined by his free will rather than God's sovereign will is lost.
Unfortunately, free will, is never described in the Bible as a work. Don Fortner uses his free will every single day, but I doubt he would judge himself so rashly (since only Calvinsts are allowed to use their free will) even though the Bible commands us to serve God according to grace.
Don Fortner wrote: To tell them that they are saved is not charity, but cruelty!
Which one is more cruel: Telling them that they are saved are telling them that they can never be saved?
I guess its a matter of perspective.
Don Fortner wrote: God is sovereign
But not sovereign enough to allow his Word to speak for Himself, apparently. Seems more like he is on Don's Calvinistic leash.
Don Fortner wrote: If the god one worships can be resisted, defeated, or controlled, he worships a false god, an idolatrous figment of his own imagination.
We all know that Don Fortner resists him every time he sins, but of course, only Calvinists are allowed to do that.
Michael Hranek wrote: Merry Christmas, my ornary friend out there in Las Vegas.
lol Merry Christmas to you as well.
Now here is some Dehvastating Truth:
Abigail wrote: There is no difficulty proposed. God created humanity a free moral agency. The only difficulty is with those who refuse to accept they have a free will even though the exercise it every day in everything they do.
Not bad for an arminian.
Calvinism is one big ball of self contradiction. Is it not?
Observer wrote: Now maybe this this does nothing for you.. but to think that God thought of me and loved me with an everlasting love and was prepared to sacrifice his only begotten son for a worm like me.. that is truly amazing and humbling.
And everyone else. Well they were not as lucky as observer.
Yes, what a humbling thought. Is it not?
That is the Good News the Calvs can give you: He loves me! I am not too sure about you though.
brother Michael wrote: I am not a "Calvinist" but I do believe in the Scriptural doctrine of election whereby it is GOD who has chosen the week, foolish, etc. to confound the wise. You asked for a verse. Here are two. ...(John 12:39-40)
I appreciate your attempt but all that verses states is that God sends some to hell and others to heaven. I doubt anyone here would argue that point.
You would have to make a great theological leap of logic to go from that to unconditional election.
Try finding a verse that actually states the truth of unconditional election, viz that God arbitrarily chooses some to heaven and others to hell.
Just one please. I would think that you would be able to find at least one.
Walt wrote: He can will all he wants to be clean, or even deny he has leprosy, but if he is stricken by God with leprosy, only Christ can wash Him clean!
Wow. That was a complete waste of cyberspace. You will be surprised to know that there is noone here that would disagree with that.
The interesting fact is that your story states nothing about Christ choosing one leper over another.
jago wrote: Yamil, at what age do children start to sin? In my experience very young babies can lie and deceive those who care for them.
I do not know. Do you?
Walt wrote: blah... blah... blah
Walt also wrote: Why does God choose some to eternal life and others to eternal destruction, we do not know?
Because Walt says so that's why. That's the only conclusion since unconditional election cannot be found in the Bible.
Walt wrote: Pride!!! When you see Yamil's posts, and Mike's posts, you can see the pride come through in the commentary.
I happen to believe that God loves other people outside of my theological group. You don't. Pride? Ha!
DB wrote: Yes Yamil, this is unconditional election.
You have a couple of problems. #1: It's ridiculous. You have a god that penalizes people that have not sinned. If you like I can highlight how ridiculous it is again. And #2: It's not Bible. You are left with pure speculation.
It's called the F_anciful L_and of te Calvinist. Where your most incredible fancies come true.