Michael Hranek wrote:
Curious
As politely as I may I didn't call you "thick"

As for persecution, I was disowned by my family for converting to Christ, was thrown out of the church that I worshipped at because they went over to supine Charismatic theology such as you and JUK advocate here and I couldn't agree with them that that was at all biblical, have had death threats against me... I could go on.

I don't need a spineless amature armchair theologian lecturing me about persecution. I am ready to take my stand for the Lord as I have always done, and guess what? I can do it with no voices in my head!

Sure, you count me as swine - you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last. I know what spiritual power is, and it's nothing like you guys imagine and romantically conjecture about. It is to be found in obedience and suffering.

Philippians 3:10
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Michael Hranek wrote:
Curious
Are you "thick?"
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How can anyone get saved without NT Charisma power Christianity. That's what you've been arguing for isn't it? But you DON'T have it yourself, you Laodicean hypocrite!

If anyone gets saved it's the same way:

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Curious
And why would you want to hear testimony of one growing in the faith once delivered and that things God in His wonderful sovereignty, mercy and grace has allowed me to see and experience?
Do you want to become His disciple too? To personally learn from and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to love Him preeminently above all others, to serve Him and follow Him, even if it means dying for Him (and that maybe at the hand of Muslims, or even modern day Laodicean hypocrites)
Hmmmmm, seems I recall this filthy, so sick that she looked like she was dying woman, that it hurt you (maybe not you) to look at her who walked into church one Wednesday night because she needed prayer

Michael Hranek wrote:
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Hebrews 13:7,8
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Talk about NOT hearing the voice of God
wasn't that something the Pharisees were famous for, that even though they could quote all sorts of Scriptures they hadn't really heard what was written
So let me make it clear, try not to miss it and thus follow the Phariseees
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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever....

Since when does Jesus Christ the same etc mean that nothing changes, and that we can do exactly what they did in NT times? You raised any dead people lately Michael? Spoken in Tongues? Prophesied? Walked on Water? Picked up any poisonous snakes? Healed any with your handkerchief, or by your shadow passing over any?

If not, why not? Has Jesus Christ changed?

Come back and tell us all when your walk matches your talk. Until then it's just more grist to the mystical hype mill.

JUK

Shane wrote:
Curious...
Job had no bible. How was he able to talk with the Lord?

In time past...these last days.. at first spoken by the Lord.....confirmed unto us by them that heard him...

Do you have ears to hear?

Where does it say for us to expect more of the same?

Maybe JUK and MH think that they are the 2 witnesses in Revelation?!

JUK

1. He has re-defined "experiential" to mean certain special experiences known by very few today, almost insisting, with Lloyd-Jones that this is a second blessing baptism of the Spirit. Check out [URL=http://heritagereformed.com/about/about-page-5]]] Experiential [/URL] for what is usually meant by this term. If we accept the usual definition, no true Christian will lack this experiential walk. Creating a 2 tier Christianity is not helpful in the least.

2. TS was absolutely right that there are a number of issues being conflated here to muddy the waters. God does speak, and he speaks clearly and authoritatively in his word. If we understand his word, then we find confirmations of the same in the natural world, even though fallen. But what John does is flit from Word based communication to non-Bible intelligible communication "Turn left... Go to this place" etc which is an altogether different issue, not the same as hearing Christ's voice which every redeemed child hears.

3. If we still have authoritative communications from God, (John is not even sure that the canon of Scripture is closed), then Sola Scriptura is clearly wrong: something John's hinted at!

10/31/14 3.04PM JUK writing to Dorcas writes, "I bring these things up, because I thought I had normal Christianity when I was converted; but when I started attending a (1689 baptist) church, a lot of hassle ensued. And yet I found all of what I was experiencing was actually firmly biblical. It's the old cessationist thing again, I'm afraid. Some hold to it, some don't. Difficult subject.”

11/1/14 5.52pm writing to MH JUK writes, "The problem is, that anytime anyone talks about experiential Christianity, they get roped in with charismaticism, mysticism, and a whole lot of other isms.”

11/1/14 9.57 AM JUK writes to Helps, "As for revival being the norm or not. If a flower is wilting in a vase, it probably needs watering. Then it revives. Now if a believer is wilting, they need (as Lloyd-Jones said), a fresh baptism of the Spirit and of fire. And he continued to say that if a large group of believers were baptised with the Spirit all together, that was a revival - big time”

10/31/14 8.26 AM JUK speaking of revival, according to him "a restoration of normal Christianity”, refers TS to sermons by Duncan Campbell. He says, "I do have a contention, namely, that the Christianity we have come to know in our churches, is not really getting to the heart of the matter. For an instance, I would not be here today, if the blessed Lord Jesus had not spoken a few words in my ear which saved my life. Those words were "Go to Stockton House.”….I think we need to get back to normal Christianity, which you find in the NT”

10/31/14 9.54 AM Arguing against TS post that God today speaks primarily through his Word, JUK posts up the instance of Philip.

10/31/14 11.02AM JUK’s line of reasoning was at Pentecost the Spirit’s involvement was not restricted to apostles etc.

Michael Hranek wrote:
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Time for you to change your moniker 'dear curious' and get some Holy Ghost reality in our faith..

So those who refuse to seek voices in the head must be devoid of the Holy Ghost?

For a man who claims to have a lot of learning to do, you sure sound like one who has arrived!

John UK wrote:
Curious, I mentioned "sub-normal" Christianity, which I believe the vast majority of churches are teaching from their pulpits.
It's become oh-so-intellectual. Non-experiential and non-experimental.

John UK wrote:
No Curious, I did not insist that people do not have genuine Christianity. So yes, I have to correct you on that weird assumption.
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John UK wrote:
I refer you to my post of 11/3/14 12.56pm
...where Mr Spurgeon says: ""This is the mark, the peculiar mark of those who are Christ's peculiar people: they hear his voice."
Read the whole post, and then argue with Charles Haddon Spurgeon. Thank you very much.

What Spurgeon has written applies to every child of God viz. that we all have spiritual ears to hear and spiritual eyes to see. But this is NOT what you have been contending for with TS etc.

So please stop being disingenuous. And FYI I'm not a Presby.

Mike wrote:
It is the way it has been used by the prevailing winds throughout history to get rid of the threat of competition. Such as in Acts, when Paul was accused of it:
Acts 24:12-14.....
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

1 Corinthians 11:19
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Galatians 5:19,20

Mike wrote:
Heresy is whatever resists the prevailing wind.

Mike wrote:
It would be interesting to know the process of how it is there is a leaving of our sins before being born again, for the united with Christ are the born again.

Elmer K. Yoder wrote:
Follower of the true Christ - yes. According to how Christian is defined - antichristian, yes. Why do you ask?

Michael Hranek wrote:
"I will bow down toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name."
Psalm 138:2 nasb

Christopher000 wrote:
..I wonder why we have to pray for anyone at all if God has already foreordained those He wants by His side. I can understand them being witnessed to in order to get God's Invitation out to them, but why the prayer if God has already chosen them?
I can understand why it's so difficult to break free from the "God chose me, I chose Him scenario". I think it's difficult because it would mean that those destined for eternal suffering had no choice in the matter...God didn't want them. I think of a parent not wanting their newborn and giving him/her away. I know it's not that simple but can it really be explained? Why He chooses some, and rejects others...before they are even born?
I have to think hard about "Many are called, but few are chosen", as well, because it says, "many", as opposed ti "all". Hmmm.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Check it out.
Spurgeon was not in favor of using musical instruments in church which as a personal preference I can respect (it doesn't affect being saved one way or another, maybe aggrevating to some, certainly not a heresy I am being battered into accepting either), especially with his spot on preaching and teaching in so many areas
If we go overboard on the "Regulatory Principle" as some would push it onto us regarding musical instruments we might just have to do away with other things not directly mentioned in Scirpture for our churches like: electronic microphones, projection screens, central heat and air and even indoor plumbing. Courtesy a Q&A with Dr. Rober Morey author of Islamic Invasion.