(TMC) @SC Yet we do find in Scripture that Godâs People have established Feasts and Festivals to commemorate The Lordâs acts of mercy toward them with no command from Him to do so on multiple occasions.
(TMC) Would the shepherds be out at night watching over their flocks in the dead of winter? Think this through.....
Actually... â James Kelso, an archaeologist who spent a number of years living in Palestine and who has done extensive research there says this:
The best season for the shepherds of Bethlehem is the winter when heavy rains bring up a luscious crop of new grass. After the rains the once-barren, brown desert earth is suddenly a field of brilliant green. One year when excavating at New Testament Jericho, I lived in Jerusalem and drove through this area twice every day. At one single point along the road, I could see at times as many as five shepherds with their flocks on one hillside. One shepherd stayed with his flock at the same point for three weeks, so lush was the grass. But as soon as the rains stopped in the spring, the land quickly took on its normal desert look once again.
Since there seem to have been a number of shepherds who came to see the Christ child, December or January would be the most likely months (James Kelso, An Archaeologist Looks At The Gospels, p. 23-24).â
All I am saying is that the âThe Church stole December 25th to copy the pagansâ argument is quite false if one cares to dig in and do the research.
(TMC) @Jim Desperate people will do desperate things to try and save lives! Meeting with the President of the US has far better chances of bringing some form of aid to our brothers and sisters over there, then just shutting up, sitting down, and rendering human lives to a blood thirsty Caesar will!!
It at least increases awareness among private sector folks who can actually do more than just sit back and criticize and belittle.
âRemember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.â ~Hebrews 13:3
(TMC) I know it's a Christian News site, but World magazine has an excellent reputation and has been reporting about this hymn being part of the protests since June. This article includes a picture of people singing and someone holding up a sign that says "Sing Hallelujah to the Lord":
(TMC) It is always sad to see someone who claims Christ as Lord and Master and who ostensibly believes Psalm 19:7-11; so radically duped by the world that they believe that basing social norms on the sand of Fallen Logic and Pagan Humanism would be a blessing, but basing the norms of society on the Word which spoke the Universe into being, who continues to uphold it with His power, and who IS Justice, would be unjust and a curse!
The only difference between Western society and that developed by head-hunting cannibals is we still have a few wisps of Biblical Law in our legal codes that havenât yet been eviscerated by Progressives.
âRighteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to **any** people.â ~Proverbs 14:34
To Jim Lincoln's larger point on Dominionism: You can't really say that Christ is Lord of your life if you stick Him in your back pocket whenever you enter the public square. That means He should be Lord of your actions at work, home, and the ballot box! And if you happen to hold some form of public office then certainly defending the innocent from such blatent injustice should be your first priority as "a minister of God"!
(TMC) @ Dolores âGod has put a few of us Arminians on here to set the record straight and keep the Calvinist in line and to help some of you to lighten up for heavens sake.â
Just for the record, I hold to the historic Calvinist view of the Atonement (ie. Sufficient for All, Efficient for the Elect), along with the rest of TULIP but do not agree with some of the behavior that other adherents of the Doctrines of Grace have displayed lately.
For me, one big reason I left Arminianism, is that I would far rather stand before God having given Him too much Glory in my Salvation, then stand before Him having stolen credit for His work in me. You may find this article to be interesting- I know itâs a link, but I promise it is a fair and gracious analysis of the difference:
...mean that a large percentage of the Church is non-Elect because they hold to and defend erronious eschatology? The Pre-, Post-, and Amillenials canât possibly all be collectively without error- someoneâs got to be wrong.
Okay, I see I need to back up a bit. There are certain core things you have to believe in order to be a Christian (ie. I am a sinner seperated from a Holy God, Christ who was fully God and fully Man bore my sin on the cross reconciling me with God, etc.). Bottomline- THAT the Gospel works and will save you. Then there are beliefs about HOW the Gospel works and saves you. Now you can take some of the beliefs about HOW the Gospel works, run them to their logical conclusion and come up with absolute heresy that creates a non-Gospel. But at least in my neck of the woods 99.9999% of people who would qualify as Arminians donât run things to their logical concluson. They are much more likely to say, âI donât know exactly how God saved me, but Praise the Lord, He did!â and chalk it up to something theyâll learn about in Heaven. Now, should we say that because these folks never subscribed to the Truth of the Doctrines of Grace that they are outside of the Elect? I, for one, will not unless convinced by a plain reading of Scripture.
I honestly cannot see how 1 John 2:27 even implies that the Elect will never defend error. And if somehow that is what it means would it not, along with every other argument proposed so far, mean that a large percentage of the Church is i
Umm... I didnât say you said Christ saves based on understanding and Iâm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to flesh out and clarify. Iâm sorry you misunderstood that. Sanctification: âthe act of God's grace by which the affections of men are purified or alienated from sin and the world, and exalted to a supreme love to God.â -Websterâs 1828
It is only through the Lordâs cleansing of our minds (sanctification) that we can comprehend any truth. Therefore knowing only truth and not holding to or defending any error would be perfect sanctification of our understanding.
You are absolutley correct that Christâs Anointing âis no lieâ and the Spirit does not teach error- but 1 John 2:27 does not say that âNo elect believer defends errorâ!
You say âIn due time we come to a right understanding of how God saves, who He saves, who He loves.â Who determines âdue timeâ, and can you say from Scripture that such understanding will come this side of heaven?
There is one way to be saved- and that is for the Lord Jesus Christ to save you! His saving power is not dependant upon our understanding of itâs operation, nor can I find such understanding to be listed in Scripture as âthe fruit of a âblood boughtâ believerâ. Can you?
You said point blank, that no one who is Elect will defend error. Can you show me from scripture any promise of perfect sanctification in ANY area this side of glorification? The Lord does sanctify some in their soteriology, but exactly where is that promised to all the saints? The Lord chose to sanctify many other areas of our lives for many decades before anyone in my family espoused TULIP. As ones who claim to believe in His perfect Sovereignty, why should we question that such is often the case? It would be as well to question why He leaves any portion of our mind and heart in un-sanctified error before Heaven. I do not understand or know why, but it is His work, therefore it is best!
(TMC) @Ladybug âNow, IF one is elected unto life, they will not defend error. The fruit of a 'blood bought' believer is just that .â
Just wondering, can you show that from scripture? All of Godâs children will, without exception, be perfectly doctrinally sanctified as a sign of the New Birth? Or is there a âGrace Periodâ, and if so, where can I find that taught in scripture? Or have I misunderstood you?