" Abigail I read some of your posts, it would appear that you have been decieved into believing that if we are truly saved we will not sin. Then why did Paul claim to be the cheif of all sinners. Abigail can you honestly tell us that you dont sin anymore?"
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It is possible to attain sinless perfection, not in the sense that we cannot sin, but in the sense that we, by the aid of the Holy Ghost, can live above sin by abiding in Christ and His Word abiding in us; by being filled with the Spirit and walking in the Spirit. To deny this is to deny the teaching of the NT and the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul was speaking of himself before his coversion—the old nature. After his conversion he said, " Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. (1Co 11:1) Moreover, he said, Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblamably we behaved ourselves among you that believe: (I Th 2:10).

"…Strive all we may ***to reckon the old man dead*** (and we must strive lest we be chastened Heb 12:6-8)) it is impossible in the mortal corruptible state to be immortal and incorruptible… "
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Imputed perfection of our Lord and Saviour is a manmade doctrine. The righteousness of Christ is not imputed to us, but FAITH in Christ Jesus is imputed unto us as rightesouness, We are not perfect because Jesus Christ lived a perfect life. We can only attain perfection when we are filled with the Holy Ghost and are led by the Spirit. Our old nature must be mortified and crucified, letting Jesus Christ live His life in us by the Holy Ghost, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus Christ taught us what perfection is and He said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

"…In this age we are to reckon the old man dead and lay claim on His perfection by faith."
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You find that nowhere in Scripture. It is a manmade doctrine to avoid the severe discipline required to live a holy life. People want to live according to the standards of the world, which is Satan's domain, and claim the name "Christian".

2 Co 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

1Pe 1:15-16 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

" Kevin
Don't forget that God will also burn heretics in the lake of fire, like papists, socininians, arminians, antinomians etc etc.Truthful"
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You forgot the Calvinists.

"…You will get nowhere with Abigail to submit or sit silent."
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In this fallen away period of time, everyone needs to seek to be filled and taught by the Spirit, studying the Bible, particularly Jesus' teachings and the NT, believing the Word of God for what it states. You would have bibles taken away from women and forbid them reading the holy Word of God.

Isn't our sovereign God able to teach us His truth as He promised in His Word? Are you saying we cannot trust Him to lead and guide in all truth?

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

" Abigail, I don't know what Bible your reading, but I don't want it.. Saving faith involves genuine repentance and turning to God and trusting Him."
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" Abigail…To believe that we could possibly attain sinless perfection in a world under the curse of sin is a lie. We are to strive for this, yes, and rely on Christ for help."
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" Calvin rightly states the true meaning of 1Jn.3:8:
The Pelagians, indeed, and the Catharians did formerly make a wrong use of this passage, when they vainly imagined that the faithful are in this world endued with angelic purity; and in our own age some of the Anabaptists have renewed this dotage…"
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The false "Christian" religions, including the Reformers, have persecuted and martyred millions for not believing their heretical doctrines. You can believe your commentaries and divines as you will. I believe the Word of God. The Word of God is not written in code or cryptic language so that the simple need interpretation by highly educated theologians. The Word of God was written by unlearned men (with the exception of Paul) that were moved upon by the Holy Ghost and can only be discerned by the leading of the Spirit.

1Co 1:26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

"In your context may we assume that you believe that anyone that sins in this life, before or after regeneration, is not Christs? The passage does say, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
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Anyone that has not been regenerated is not Christ's. A regenerated person (filled with the Holy Ghost) is not their own but are bought with a price, the holy blood of Jesus Christ. A person cannot sin while abiding in Christ because that would make Christ the author of sin. A person cannot be led of the Spirit and sin simultaneously because the Spirit leads and guides in all truth.

Jam 1:12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Shouldn't people be attempting to live a sinless life instead of justifying their sins by relying on the mantra, "No one can be perfect".

" Abigail,
You are a hypocrite and deceiver. Why? Because you teach that once man has been born of the Spirit, they no longer will sin. You teach man can reach a sinless perfection in this life, and that is just a big lie.
Being the extreme deceiver that you are, it becomes so clear to everyone on this site except for the Pentecostals, who are often possessed with devils and master deceivers (look in the mirror), that when one challenges your false doctrine they are promoters of sin…."
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Blessed are you (am I) when your (my) name is cast out as evil for righteousness sake. Rejoice and be exceeding glad for great is your (my) reward in heaven.

I have not said that once a man has been born of the Spirit, they can no longer sin. But you are teaching that they MUST sin and there is no escape from our deceitful evil heart even though God has given us a new heart with His commandments written in our heart. You are teaching that even after we have been born of the Spirit, we are still in bondage to the lusts of the flesh and the blood of Jesus cannot cleanse us from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

" "IV. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, He frees him from his natural bondage under sin; and, by His grace alone, enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; yet so, as that by reason of his remaining corruption, he does not perfectly, or only, will that which is good, but does also will that which is evil.
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Are you striving to come to the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? I think not, or you would not be justifying and promoting sin. John 1:3:2 states "it doth not yet appear what we shall be", because we are not in our glorified bodies.

What do you do with these Scriptures?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

" 1JO 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us…Abigail, you are a deceiver and liar!"
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You are capitalizing on sin—I am capitalizing on righteousness. You are promoting sin, I am promoting holiness.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

If I am a deceiver and liar so is the Lord Jesus Christ because I stand on His word. I have never said that we have not sinned. Everyone is carnal and sold under sin, which is the reason we need a Savior to redeem us FROM OUR SINS. Yes, in this flesh dwelleth no good thing, therefore the flesh must be crucified that the Spirit of Christ within can have free reign. In Rom 7:14-23 Paul was stating the plight of humanity without Christ but he goes on to say, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

"V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated; and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.
VI. Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto, does in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner, whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God, and curse of the law, and so made subject to death, with all miseries spiritual, temporal, and eternal." (WCF,6:5-6)"
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Praise God for His Holy Word, and for His Son Jesus Christ, and for the indwelling Holy Ghost that leads and guides in all truth.

In promoting your doctrine you rarely use Scripture but rather use your own carnal reasoning and the WCF or one of your divines. The WCF is not the Word of God and is filled with errors. You complain about my quoting Scripture—stating that any Scripture quoted is out of context and does not mean what it states—as if Scripture has no value. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit.

"This is evidential proof before men, God knows if a man has faith or not, but works is a demonstration before man, we are justified by faith apart from works"
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It is false doctrine to teach that people can be saved without adhering to the Word of God in obedience.

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

R. K. Borill wrote:
When you have learned the first, then I will teach you the rest.
" Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." 1 Tim. 2:11

Praise God for the full counsel of God in the Word of God. Contrary to what many believe, we do not have to depend on man for teaching because the Spirit of truth leads and guides in all truth by the Spirit.

" I have followed ur discussions very closely abigail. And i truly believe you have a heart for God but you must listen to other believers without putting up a defensive air."
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Thank you for your comment, KK!

Jesus Christ and the NT teach sinless perfection. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth., and the life. Would our perfect God give us less than a perfect example to follow? He gave us His only begotton Son. The churches are teaching a sinning religion instead of pointing to the perfection that we are to strive to attain, which is the full stature and maturity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ lived in the flesh and was sinless proving that sinless perfection is possible to attain in this evil world. He left His Spirit, the Holy Ghost, to indwell us and lead and guide us in all truth. We are commanded to be filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit and thus not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Our beloved brother, Peter, wrote that we have been given exceeding great and precious promises that by these we may be partakers of the divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. Isn't it proper for the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ to strive for holiness? If the Churches in Rev. fail to repent, severe consequences follow.

" Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." 1 Tim. 2:11
How is it that you are not able to obey this command with your "free will" Abigail?"
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Why do you not teach the remainder of the text concerning women?

1Ti 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

"Nothing in this passage supports your argument for the possiblity of one losing their salvation. If they do not continue in faith, it means that they never had the faith that continues to start. The gifts of God are without repentance. That means that God doesn't take back gifts that He gives. Don't judge God by what men may do. He is not a man that he should lie."
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You are skirting the issue. You are telling women to be quiet, but you refuse to acknowledge the surrounding Scriptures concerning women. The Scripture speaks of Eve being in the transgression, and then ends with "she shall be saved in childbearing" which was the punishment placed upon Eve for the transgression. "If they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety" can only mean if they don't continue in faith they will go to hell. Continue is an ongoing process , one cannot continue in something that never started and the phrase would be redundant.

2 Ti 3:16,17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

You are not preaching that we must become sinless defacto. You are teaching that we are holy by proxy, which is not what Scripture teaches. This is a subtle lie of Satan that is leading countless of souls to hell. We are not righteous because Jesus Christ was righteous, i.e., imputed righteousness. We are righteous when we repent (be extremely contrite, confess our sins, and turn from our sins) accepting the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. True faith in Christ turns from sin and grows into the image of Jesus Christ—not simply an imaginary righteousness claiming imputed righteousness.

You have stated that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire and no adulterer shall enter the kingdom of God. The soul that sinneth (keeps sinning) shall die…the wages of sin is death. You continue with, "In order to be in the presence of God we must be righteous and without sin". Yet you contradict yourself by saying that we can never stop sinning and we must receive the righteousness of Christ, meaning we can continue in our old ways and still be righteous in the eyes of God. Jesus Christ paid an awful price for our salvation. Our sins were laid upon Him. To continue in sin is to continually crucify Him with total disregard for His supreme sacrifice.

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (2Ti 2:25)

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (2Ti 2:26)

JD gave you the second clause of the sentence. Why do you ignore it? They recover themselves out of the snare of the devil. Both God and man are involved in repentance. We must repent, but God accepts our repentance and grants forgiveness.

Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.