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10/28/07 5:16 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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"Let us consider another example. The Church of Rome has falsely argued that the Church established the Canon of Scripture. But nothing could be further from the truth. It is the Holy Spirit that established the Canon of Scripture. It is the Church that confirmed the Canon of Scripture. The Canon of Scripture would still be absolutely authoritative even if no man on earth confirmed it because it is God that speaks therein (“Let God be true but every man a liar” Romans 3:3). The mere testimony of the Church does not make a piece of literature Scripture—otherwise the authority of man and the authority of God are no different (man would then be equal to God). We believe the Canon of Scripture to be true because God speaks therein. However God supports our weak faith by giving us the confirming testimony of the Church. Now let us take these ideas and apply them to Paul’s argument in his Letter To The Churches of Galatia. Paul argues that his call and the Gospel he preached were established by the direct and immediate revelation of Christ. However, his call and the Gospel he preached were confirmed by the words and actions of the Apostles in Jerusalem (as we shall see in our text from Galatians 2:1-10)...." |
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10/28/07 3:52 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Terry,Can you give me an example of what the Minister and Scripture means by this verse? "We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error." (1Jn.4:6) Should we assume that the heretical errors that were judged by the early Christian Church should be ignored today as "the spirit of error" because these teachers herein sound so loving, kind and worthy? Do you think that if someone who becomes a monk or priest and takes a vow of poverty makes that person filled with the Spirit of truth, or could they actually be filled with the spirit of error? Do you think the deceivers will come only speaking against Christ, or will them come proclaiming they are just like Christ, and have the same attributes as Christ, and go out into the world to perform signs, wonders and gifts of healings? Perhaps you don't see any errors with this Abigail and Spiritual because they have all the vows of poverty and claim the highest levels of perfection in this life, and can perform miracles of healing and speak in unknown tongues and languages...but is this really proof they have the Spirit of Truth? |
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10/28/07 3:33 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Terry,I have listed to the sermon "How to Discern Between Truth and Falsehood" as you suggested before any of us post again. Perhaps I'm confused when you say, "But has become a battleground, good vs evil. But the tide turned, its evil in agreement. Play with fire, you will get burned." The Minister makes it clear that the central test of Christian orthodoxy is to test these posters on their definition of Who Is Jesus Christ? He is very critical of the "Word of Faith Movement" that is practiced below by Spiritual and Abigail. The Pentecostal movement is a very damaging Christian sect, and has grown globally to lead many astray with heresy. The Minister says that most all of the heresies arose before the 5th century regarding "Who Is Jesus Christ?" and those have filtered down to our age. We are suppose to doctrinally and morally test these people. Those in a cult or sect like that practiced by Abigail and Spiritual will condemn us for "judging" their words, but the Minister in the sermon makes it very clear we are to test and discern the "spirits" these people promote. Where have we gone wrong in following this Ministers biblical advice? |
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10/28/07 3:02 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Abigail, you wrote:"All of your questions are ridiculous because you do not really care about any of this. You are trying to be a hypocritical judge." Actually, I am very serious about my personal judgment of the Pentecostal sect. When I first came to the site a month or so ago I saw your comments to be kind, loving and worthy. But, as I started reading your doctrine, form of church government, manner of worship and practices explained from your keyboard, I soon saw that you were leading some on the site astray, and perhaps many others not posting. The implication that we are not allowed to judge someone's testimony from your comments above is ridiculous. Scripture says, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1Th.5:21). The entire concept of proving something to be true or false is fundamental to making personal judgments based upon solid evidence and research. Our modern civil and eccelesiastic courts are called to judge matters, and Scripture commands us, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (Jn.7:24) To imply we are forbidden to judge your words and commentary only goes to show that you are not serious about proving your words, only making them smooth and able to deceive others easily. |
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10/28/07 9:51 AM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Abigail,You are a master at one line Scripture quotes. Can you please explain these one liners with Scripture...use only one liners in response to be consistent? "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (1Cor.14:34) Question: If you believe you are in an actual Spiritual Church in another world, may I ask what you are doing speaking on this site? Can you explain how you are forbidden to speak in your heavenly church, but can speak here in earth? "I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully." (1Tim.5:14). May I ask how many children you have as commanded by the Holy Spirit through Paul letter to Timothy? "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." Do you have a male or female Pastor over you? |
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10/27/07 11:39 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Cont.,...ROM 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. MAT 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. ACT 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. REV 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." |
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10/27/07 11:08 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Cont.,...But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [3] PSA 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. 1TI 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. PSA 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 2SA 23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. 1PE 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme. [4] LUK 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. ... |
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10/27/07 10:58 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Cont., (Wayne, exactly!)...14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. Abigail wrote her opinion: No Christian in the NT held an office of government authority. Erastus was the chamberlain, which is a steward of a member of nobility. According to Scripture, no Christian can hold the jobs in question. They are soldiers of a different land. The Church of Scotland, again, differs: II. It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate, when called thereunto:[2] in the managing whereof, as they ought especially to maintain piety, justice, and peace, according to the wholesome laws of each commonwealth;[3] so, for that end, they may lawfully, now under the New Testament, wage war, upon just and necessary occasion.[4] PRO 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. 16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. ROM 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good.. |
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10/27/07 10:48 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Dear everyone,I just saw the post originally posted by "Spiritual" and when I refreshed it was gone, then moments later reposted by someone called "Caesar". Since I have not been here very often lately, perhaps some of you know who Caesar is on the site, as the quote was done by Spiritual when I first saw it posted, before it was removed and reposted. Just thought someone could shed some light for me on who is Caesar. Obviously, it could not be Spiritual as we know he is the most honorable, sinless and perhaps Christ like man on this site according to his own testimony, and levels of deception would not remotely be humanly feasible in his actions or words. Yes, obviously I'm being sarcastic! |
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10/27/07 10:27 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Abigail's opinion is as follows:"The governments of the world are founded on power, greed, and pride. All of these are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ." The Church of Scotland differs: "I. God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, has ordained civil magistrates, to be, under Him, over the people, for His own glory, and the public good: and, to this end, has armed them with the power of the sword, for the defence and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evil doers.[1] [1] ROM 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 1PE 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;... |
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10/27/07 8:27 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Cont.,"...from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. [2] JAM 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. [3] MAT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. JAM 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well. ROM 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." |
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10/27/07 8:14 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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"The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;[1] and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it.[2] Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.[3][1] ROM 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. EPH 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 1JO 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning..." The rest of the references will not fit. |
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10/27/07 7:39 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Kenny, you wrote:"I don't know what Abigail's theology is and don't really care. My point is/was, in this particular discussion regarding Christians and war, she is expressing her ideas calmly, rationally and she is using Scripture very effectively to do it." I did not spend any time discussing her commentary on war. My recent issue was with the issue of the old covenant being fulfulled by using Matt.5:17 as the proof text for this position. I quoted the Church of Scotland position on what law was fulfilled; being the ceremonial law (which pointed to Christ) and judicial laws of the national of Israel having expired. However, I did not post all the Scripture proofs cited in the WCF as there is no room in these threads to post all the proof texts they use. I fully understand that the judicial decisions rendered by church courts are absolutely irrelevant to some, and church history has no place in Christ's spiritual kingdom according to others, but if someone claims an authority to post as a non-minister, non-called officer of the Church, what is wrong with rebuking it with Judicial court rulings by Christ's called officers. Just because people post a lot of Scripture references without knowledge does not make the doctrine accurate or true. |
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10/27/07 4:56 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Kenny, for example:Abigail wrote: "When Jesus brought in the New Covenant, the Old Covenant was fulfilled. (Mat 5:17)." The Scripture says: Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Now, her position is very clear, she uses Christ's words to prove that the law and Old Covenant has been fulfilled. As you can see, she uses Christ's words that says that the law and prophets are not destroyed, but fulfilled. Her commentary of this verse says that the Old Covenant has been fulfilled. Yes, Kenny, it is very impressive for sure to use Scripture to make your point and blow away us weaker brethren. However, I quoted the Church of Scotland that discusses what law has been fulfilled and in no way does it mean the Old Covenant or moral law. Obviously this is not very impressive as the Church of Scotland must have source quoted 30 Scriptures to support their commentary below, but Abigail's one reference is powerful and persuasive. Let me know what is next. |
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10/27/07 4:48 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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Kenny, you wrote:"And Walt, if you are the same Walt who has been on SA for several years, you have freely used snatches of the writings of MANY (Calvin, Spurgeon, various catechisms) to make your point. For you to criticize Abigail for using Scripture to make hers is rather comical. In fact, that's exactly how Christ made His points (OT Scriptures) and it infuriated the Pharisees." Would you like me to quote all Scriptures as I am happy to focus only on Scriptures? I was trying to make the point that Abigail has an opinion using Scripture as her source. Yes, she is very calm and consistent with her Scripture references so you have found this powerful and persuasive. At one time, I thought Jack VanImpe was the walking bible because he could source quote Scripture by memory faster than my Baptist pastor and indeed faster than any Pentecostal I ever met. Let me know what is the litmus test for you and the audience. If it is just quoting Scripture, I can do this as fast or maybe even faster than Abigail. Let me know what makes you believe that one is faithful and has saving faith. I'll await your instructions. |
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10/27/07 2:27 PM |
Walt | | Michigan | | | |
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"All who reject history from their conditions of fellowship, and yet claim kindred with the Reformed Covenanted Church, are "deceiving and being deceived." In this matter they are false witnesses; but "we wot that through ignorance they do it" (_The Original Covenanter_ magazine, Vol. 2, No. 12, December 1879, pp. 353–357)."Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it (Ezekiel 13:10,11, AV). John Calvin judiciously comments upon this passage: Here the Spirit signifies that the false prophets should be subject to the greatest ridicule, when they shall be convicted by the event, and their lies shall be proved by clear proof. Hence, also, we may gather the utility of the doctrine which Paul teaches, that we must stand bravely when God gives the reins to impostors to disturb or disperse the Church (_Calvin's Commentaries_, Vol. 12, p. 21, Baker Book House). |
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