And there you go, yet again making a judgement that essentially says that the Holy Spirit is powerless to convict and reclaim someone. Do you not believe that God loves His children, and chastens them? Do you not believe that God wants a chastened child to return to Him? Where is your faith John? Or are you too interesting in celebrating the Devilâ€™s victories?
John 4 Again, supposition based on no stated Biblical fact. We donâ€™t know if the manâ€™s testimony was good or bad before his relationship with his stepmother. That is the point. Itâ€™s not for us to stand around making unilateral statements over whether this woman is lost or saved. What there is however is a Biblical process that Christ gave us in Matthew 18 to deal with someone who has fallen, which is the process Paul suggested regarding the man. Someone in Christian leadership needs to approach her and tell her where she is wrong. If she doesnâ€™t listen, take a few witnesses, and then if it doesnâ€™t change, bring her before the Church and then announce she is under Church discipline.
John UK. I believe you are misquoting and misusing Scripture in this caseâ€¦ Let me elaborate. 1 Corinthians 5:5 â€śTo deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.â€ť
This manâ€™s testimony was a blight on the church and on the Lord who saved himâ€¦ However, Paul was telling them to chastise him and put him out of the churchâ€¦ Let his lifestyle kill him so he wouldnâ€™t be a blightâ€”yet his souls was still saved because that was a result of the finished work of Christ, and not a result of his sinless living. Paul was NOT saying that the man was suddenly lost for his actions. He was a saved person whose testimony went south. So, I say pat them on the head, and say â€śDeary, deary.... until your testimony is clear, please donâ€™t continue to disgrace the name of the Lord who saved you by speaking kindly of vile affections. When you are ready to do that, we will welcome you back to the fold with open arms.â€ť But to suddenly judge that â€śNope, they are lost...â€ť is outside my pay grade. The later scriptures, v12-13 are a chastisement to the Church who was too busy judging the world that needed Christ and giving a free pass to the sinning Christians in the congregation.
John UK I do have a question for you. In first Corinthians 5, when Paul is dealing with the church member who is in a relationship with his stepmotherâ€¦ is he; A: Lost, needing Salvation B: Lost beyond redemption- enemy of God C: Saved, needing chastisement and, (if he repents) encouragement and restoration to the fellowship?
Again, I chuckle that the point of my message was missed. I too stand against adultery, fornication, (visual and physical,) homosexuality, beastiality, sex changism, divorce (exp regarding remarriage,) feminism and the other isms. (tired of typing,) I LOVE how my pointing out that saved people can sinâ€”(and unfortunately do so on a consistent basis,) and that God doesnâ€™t differentiate between the sins many seem to ignore, (like Pride,) and the ones listedâ€”and turned that into an automatic judgement that I not only sin, but am making excuses for it. THAT is precisely the Pharisaical attitude that I was referring to, and for which Christ preached against. (please see Christâ€™s comments in Luke 18.) So, since anything I say is probably going to be twisted to mean that I am lost to meet your self-aggrandizing pride, I will close my comments for now. I will be praying for you, and hope you continue to do likewise.
. Could this lady be saved, and then drive off into error. Yes. So not to be rudeâ€¦ But some of yâ€™all need to get off your high horse and stop attacking people with the redundant â€śso, are you saying you are for Gay marriage?â€ť Or whatever the trope is just because someone defends the fact that someone might be saved and act in their flesh in someway other than willful pride. Just saying.
John UK, et al... I donâ€™t wish for my comments to be misunderstoodâ€¦ However, it seems that many have a tendency to only pull out what they want to argue aboutâ€¦ Their pet pointsâ€¦ And ignore the totality of the message. Simply put, my point is this: The Bible is very specific when it says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Paul is adamant when he describes his struggle to not sin in the book of Romans. There are a variety of sinful struggles that Christians will face after salvation. Some Christians struggle with greed, some with gluttony, a whole bunch with prideâ€¦ (pharisaical is probably a good word....) and others fall into other areas of sin based on their attachment to the culture. What I am suggesting is that if we are applying scripture properly, we will understand that we are sinners as long as we have flesh, and we have flesh until we die. I am not going to judge someone elseâ€™s salvation based on sinâ€¦ Because I also have sin. Are other sins more disgusting to me than my own? Probably. But my Bible tells me that if I offend in one point I am guilty of the whole law. I believe scripture is specific that a lot was saved despite his end. Personally, I believe Demas was saved, despite departing from Paul. Could this lady be saved, and then drive off into e
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, curiously, the Bible doesnâ€™t say repentance from sin when itâ€™s talking about salvationâ€¦ Itâ€™s talking about repentance from dead worksâ€¦ In other words, exchanging religion for Christ
2 Peter 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
Not being rude, But if a man who ended his recorded life drunk in a cave fathering his own grandchildren is referred to in Scripture as â€śrighteousâ€ś I will leave it to God to make the judgement call. I mean, think about it John UK... itâ€™s almost like youâ€™re saying that her works decide her salvation?
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I canâ€™t judge anyoneâ€™s heart or intentions. I have no clue if the woman is a child of Godâ€”just saying that if she is, she is up for a rude awakening. But then again, how many on here are in the same boat? It may not be homosexuality they are â€śpromoting,â€ť but what about pride? An uncaring and unloving heart? What are we promoting that makes Christ want to spew?
There is a massive amount of misinformation, mostly politically motivated. Fact. Viruses are disease. Viruses can make you sick and kill you. Itâ€™s not just bacteria. Fact. Some viruses can be fatal by themselves. (Think Ebola.) Some viruses are only generally fatal because of accessory complications. (Co-morbidity.) COVID is a virus. In most people (94%) it has required additional stressors on the body to produce a fatal result. (Diabetes, Obesity, heart conditions, etc...) However, in 6% of the population COVID by itself was enough to produce a fatal result. Iâ€™m not saying COVID is any worse than a nasty flu, Iâ€™m just correcting the ignorance. (And as an FYI, I do have a degree in Biology, and worked several years in Bioterrorism and epidemiology.)
Well, you have the more ridiculous factions of BLM claiming that â€ślooting is a down payment on reparations dueâ€¦â€ť Everybodyâ€™s going to slant the story the way that makes sense to them. and people will lose out because they donâ€™t matter. Look at the number of black owned businesses that were destroyed during the â€śpeaceful BLM protestsâ€ś At least they are getting sympathy coverage from the conservative media groups. Maybe some go fund me moneyâ€¦ everybody else is just straight out of luck