Oh No!! Look at this America!! Now you're for it, you've upset the Archbishop of Liberalism.
"Ruin Millions" The ArchBish of Cantering through the religions, is all upset about the way the world is panning out around us. Now stop and be nice to the terrorists and their religion of peace, and the ArchBish will love you too.
The reason of course that (Great ) Britain is no longer Imperialist and a world player in authority, is because she has the politics and religion of "Trying to please all of the people all of the time" - as opposed to - "some of the people some of the time." Some might call this new British spinal column a bit more "flexible" than it was in her heyday??? But I'm sure we wouldn't say that on here would we.
Clearly the worst modern plague we have to resist today is Liberalism. If we don't then it's a disease which can prove terminal.
kevin wrote: So therefore I should follow some man's silly Westminster Catechism, over Yahweh's Word! I THINK NOT!!!
Nobody is asking YOU to follow anything???
YOU asked the question (of Walt) where the quotes were coming from. Thats why I told you the WCF.
The Reformed Church recognises the WCF and catechisms as the Biblical teachings of our ministers. These have become one of the Standards of our Church.
We don't expect the Arminian/Liberal/Papist churches to accept the WCF; - Because these churches teach salvation by works, a less than sovereign god and less than sinful mortal.
When I left the Arminian church and by His Grace the Lord led me to the Reformed Church, I could perceive the true doctrines taught in the WCF. But I know that the Arminian/Papist churches can't receive these Scriptural doctrines of truth. Thus all we can do is proclaim them, because the Sovereign Lord has ordained His church to do so.
May the Lord bring you to the whole counsel of God.
kevin wrote: Seaton, looks like you also follow this anti-christ site?
Kevin No! I use the Bible as does the Reformed Church. Please note our Bible was written before the computer was invented.
The quoted question and answers I posted, are from the Westminster Catechism which, by His Grace, was written by Bible believing Christian ministers in the 17th century, and is Biblically accurate in it's teachings.
Biblical Doctrine has not changed and is the same whether 2000 years ago or the 16th/17th century or today. That is for the Reformed Church. Those who can't perceive the Truth, - Don't get very much from the WCF either, eg. Papists and their cousins the Arminians.
A67: Effectual calling is the work of God's almighty power and grace,[John 5:25; Eph. 1:18-20; II Tim. 1:8-9] whereby (out of his free and special love to his elect, and from nothing in them moving him thereunto, [Titus. 3:4-5; Eph. 2:4-5, 7-9; Rom. 9:11]) he doth, in his accepted time, invite and draw them to Jesus Christ, by his word and Spirit; [II Cor. 5:20; 6:1-2; John 6:44; II Thess. 2:13-14] savingly enlightening their minds,[ Acts 26:18; I Cor. 2:10, 12] renewing and powerfully determining their wills,[ Ezek. 11:19; 36:26-27; John 6:45] so as they (although in themselves dead in sin) are hereby made willing and able freely to answer his call, and to accept and embrace the grace offered and conveyed therein.[Eph. 2:5; Phil. 2:13; Deut. 30:6]
Q66: What is that union which the elect have with Christ?
A66: The union which the elect have with Christ is the work of God's grace,[Eph. 1:22; 2:6-8] whereby they are spiritually and mystically, yet really and inseparably, joined to Christ as their head and husband;[I Cor. 6:17; John 10:28; Eph. 5:23, 30] which is done in their effectual calling.[I Peter 5:10; I Cor. 1:9]
Michael Hranek wrote: Seaton You profess to hold to the doctrines of grace, correct? Would that by any chance include believing Jesus? quote For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. end of quote Before you critize Kevin and/or any others you have judged to be arminian
Hi Michael; The post I wrote for Kevin was against his rejection of the commandments. I'm sure Michael, that you don't ditch the Decalogue!
The verse John 3:16 is a wonderful statement of the Love and Mercy of God and Jesus. Jesus died on the cross to pay the price of those who will be saved. "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men."1Cor 7:23. "...even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."2Pet 2:1.
Those who are chosen by God are saved. Yes?
They are of course "Believers" Yes?
How they were able to move from the realm of "dead in sin" to the new man is thanks be to God and His mercy. Yes?
Michael, Do you thank God for saving you? and His precious gift of life in Christ? and His precious gifts of grace and faith, that you might know His word and promise?
kevin wrote: We must ask ourselves, why did Yahweh create this commandments? What was taken place during this time period? Can't we agree that He set forth these commandments to the people of Israel who were held captive in Egpyt? ....... Now these commandments were of the covenant which He establish between those people which came out of Egypt. But we read in Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel....
I really wish we could agree that God is consistent and perfect in HIS Word and providence.
Jesus the Son of God stated and taught
Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
However I guess in Kevin's religion, Jesus's words don't amount to a Hill a' Beans???
JD Unless you can see something as simple and obvious as the Sovereignty of God in Scripture, and that - GOD REALLY IS GOD - in the meaning of that term. Then The problem is not in my comprehension But In Yours!
The entire Bible AND The entire creation Speaks volumes on HIS Sovereignty.
That is obvious to the Elect.
I really do hope and pray you can perceive the Truth in this verse JD,
2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall"
Oh No! JD Look at these; there are some verses of Scripture which have the audacity to disagree with your hypothesis on sovereignty?
Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Psalm 44:4 Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob.
Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalm 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
Psalm 74:12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.
Psalm 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Selah River wrote: In your comments 'many come to church but do not come to Christ'..... Are you tired of the once a week song and dance lip service dead church existance?
Hi Selah; Are from psalm 46 or Hab 3:9?
Psalm 46:3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah. 4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
As for the "dead church" That is just a symptom of salvation by works. The song of the papists and their adherent churches. ___________________________
I see you've been to the confessional again this morning. Old habits die hard eh?
Abigail wrote: God is Sovereignâ€”He has total and final control of all events. Otherwise, prayer with faith could serve no purpose or could effect no change.
Humanity is depravedâ€”not in the sense that he cannot call upon the Lord for salvationâ€”but humanity without Jesus Christ is totally depraved and needs a Savior.
Abigail's version of "Sovereign" Is apparently not quite complete *IMPERFECT* sovereignty? Partial sovereignty ONLY. God is sovereign up to a point; - then the mortal kicks in and "enables" His sovereignty to be complete???
Historically the synergist/Arminian solution to religion has taught that God "can" - only if Man will! It's extraordinary that this heresy still permeates, even now, down through time and is fully integrated into so much erroneous doctrines/denominations today.
"Total Depravity" Abigail style? Again is only partially effective? Sin may separate us from God, yet it is easily overcome by self, in Abigails religion. Makes one wonder if sin has any real affect on the sinner?
Satan clearly blinds these people to the effect that they really believe in self salvation, by the vain conviction of their own powers. This idolatry is Satan's means of deceit in the church.
Abigail wrote: Paul said, "Follow me as I follow Christ." Which preachers of today can say that?
If the ministers of today were half as godly as the holy men in the NT were, we would see a great revival and see a move of the Spirit that the world has not witnessed in many generations.
"Which Preachers" - Preach follow Christ and thence through their preaching? = Well Abigail I dont know what all YOUR "Penty" preachers preach? But the preachers I listen to preach follow Christ and seek to do so in their own life as the GRACE provides.
Your "If the ministers of today.....etc" Trust you Abigail to promote human effort above the work of the Spirit???
Is man in control of the Spirit Abigail? Yes of course He is IN YOUR Arminian religion.
Obviously this is a complaint you should take to the Lord!! Or do you exclude Him from all evangelical effort, besides complain at the providence we now experience???
Why not command the Lord of your more efficient management suggestions and require that HE adheres to them!!
Finally Abigail Total Depravity in your book is clearly not quite as Total as the Bible teaches. Hence you teach that man can overcome sin all by himself. Who needs a god in your religion? The sinner rules supreme??