The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den” (Isaiah 11:6-8).

Does God really mean what He says in the above verses or does He mean something else? If we take these verses literally, according to the normal way in which words are understood, then we are forced to conclude that the kingdom has not yet arrived

God says that His work of creation happened in six days. Does He really mean what He says? Does He mean “six days” or does He mean something else? Can we take Him at His Word? How would a child understand this verse?

Today many teach that these six days of creation cannot refer to literal 24 hour days, but instead must represent long ages of time which would then correspond with the vast geologic ages theorized by evolutionary scientists and scholars.

who is Jacob??

(Romans 11:23 KJV) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

who is Israel,and who is "gentiles"??

(Zechariah 13:8 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

John Gerstner-those passages fulfilled in the church?

new line wrote:
The Jesuits invented it ..
During the time of the Reformation, the first Protestants believed and taught that the Papacy was Antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Revelation 17. It therefore became necessary for certain Romish theologians to take the pressure off the Pope by inventing a new school of prophetic interpretation now known as Futurism. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera (1537-1591) who first taught that the events prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation would not be fulfilled until three and a half years at the end of the age when an Anti-Christ would take over the world. Causing Ribera to lay the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Rapture has now become an integral part." From The Secret Rapture by Paul Thigpen.)

you'll have to back a bit further than that my friend

Augustine and Origen first espoused the non literal interpretation of Revelation-which is why the RC's are amillennialist today....

DJC49 wrote:
GK -
You apply Mt 25:34 to those entering the earthly Millennial Kingdom??? Hahahaha! What a joke! I got NEWS for you, brother, that entire passage of Matthew is talking about the FINAL JUDGEMENT! Read Mt 25:41 where those on Christ's left are told to depart into the eternal fire!

Is that too much to ask?

it seems to be WAY beyond you

The Sheep-Goat Judgment is a teaching given to us in the Olivet Discourse. . Jesus is telling us what will happen to the gentiles, (or those still unsaved), at the end of this age. A person is either allowed entry into the Millennium as a sheep or they are cut off and damned as a goat. This judgment will occur after the Battle of Armageddon at the end of the age and after the glorification of the saints. Untold millions will be left alive on earth in their mortal bodies. And these people will be judged for entry into the Millennium of Messiah.

Give you a break DJC?

DJC49 wrote:
GK -
One point blew right over your head:
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there will still be sin in the millennium age-the rebellion comes at the end when satan is again loosed to deceive the nations.(Shouldn't be too hard as you guys have tied him up with very comfy silk cords or something equally stupid)

Earth will be repopulated after the 2nd Coming by believers who survive the Great Tribulation and enter the Kingdom in their natural states. (Matt. 25:34) Although they will receive eternal life, (Matt. 25:46) They and the children they bear will still have a sin nature.
Some believe that Millennial children who don’t accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour by age 100 will die, based on Isaiah 65:20 -The sinner being 100 years old will be accursed.

DJC49 wrote:
One BENEFIT of
"Living AFTER the Rapture"

so if it doesn't immediately precede,the timing of the return of the Lord cannot be ascertained with anything approaching complete accuracy

could your source maybe point out where he gleaned that particular gem from?

people even today are well aware,even if they are basically heathen,that the Bible teaches the return of the Lord and judgement etc etc

does that stop them from living in rebellion now?

pew view wrote:

2.no argument there-but you guys say God has completely finished with Israel

3.I'm deadly serious-see (2) above

4.as before-not a great job of binding-is he not still deceiving the nations,even though the binding said that he couldn't?

5.until the end of what?

6.cop-out

7.explain the other 6 please

the 1000 years is not mentioned once,or even twice but 6 TIMES in the Book of Revelation-do you think God might be looking to make a point??

John

the only "I told you so" spirit here is the one emanating from most of the Amills

I actually find you quite reasonable and open

all the best with chrome btw

they are not all Israel who are of Israel,after all

they are back in the land in preparation for Daniel's 7oth week

1.why do you allegorize the 1000 years,but NOT the literal 6 days of creation?

2.how has the church replaced Israel,especially in the light of Jeremiah 32?

3.if you ARE Israel,when are you packing up to move there?

4.how,if satan was bound(a limited binding,we are told,despite the prophecy stating that he would not be permitted to cause mayhem till the 1000 years are up)was he able to fill Ananias' heart to deceive the Holy Ghost?

5.one that has just come to me-when exactly was the curse on all creation lifted?

Zechariah 14:4-5, 9
Isaiah 2
Isaiah 4
Isaiah 11
Isaiah 12
Jeremiah 23
Jeremiah 32(an especially difficult one for the Amill)
32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
(so- when are you lot going to move to Israel?)

Daniel 2
Daniel 7
Micah 4

DJC

I don't suppose you'll ever be able to tell us the how you ascertain the difference between 6 days(literal) and 1000 years(allegorical)

keep hunting those unicorns

wonder who's going to be next to rehash the John Darby myth?

any more Amill takers want to make themselves look stupid by trotting it out again,or have we had enough for one day?

John,if by "avoidance theology" you mean avoiding those who believe borderline heresy,then I try my very best.....but you're like bad pennies-you just keep popping up all over the shop!!

DJC49 wrote:
Now please excuse me ... Jack & Rexella Van Impe are about to start their show and I don't want to miss how today's news is straight out of Revelations!

if anyone is casting doubt,it's all you pseudo Jews who like to think of themselves as Israel

total bunkum

Mike wrote:
Unicorn is a metaphor that represents a horse with a pointy thing on its forehead.

nah DJC

it really IS closed!John wasn't having a dream-he was having a revelation from God

with all your allegorising,you don't know where symbols end and future events begin

all you guys who think you're now Israel better wake up to the fact that you're not,and that God isn't finished with the "real" Israel