A public forum is public by definition. All forums set up rules that must be obeyed. In the case of SA, most of us realize they do monitor in several ways to ensure those rules are not broken. I personally have never seen them deny an IP because someone broke the rules. And since I go back so many years I think I have seen it all.
I agree with them for allowing Jim to post even though as far as I know no individual thinks Jim is a Christian. There are some who donâ€™t believe I am, but none believe he is. At the same time, I think it would be wonderful if he simply went away. My guess is he is into black liberation theology which we all know is a cult. The fact that he tolerates so much criticism, IMO means he is also likely a paid troll.
There is no litmus test to joining this forum. And I do thank SA for deleting so many of his posts.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The devil coyly uses the terms, womenâ€™s health and emancipation to drive the abortion agenda. His real agenda is to promote promiscuity and appease the inconvenience many women feel a baby brings. And his ultimate goal is to murder those born the image of God.
Well my taxes are already going to PP to the tune of over 500 million. My guess is this satanic agenda for tax paid abortion will indeed come to pass. To me the below verse says it all:
2 Corinthians 4:4 â€śIn whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.â€ť
All those who support or promote abortion in any sense are guilty of murder in the eyes of God.
Dave wrote: Again John Lee you expose yourself as a heretic. You peddle replacement theology and you ever so sneakily bring in works. You're wolf,
â€śBrotherâ€ť John and I have never discussed replacement theology. But, if he adheres to it then I will disagree with him. But, that doesnâ€™t make him a wolf, the same as I donâ€™t consider you to be a wolf because we disagree on the rapture.
Now I believe all Christians draw lines and that is a good thing. It would appear that your lines are different than mine. I only use them on what I refer to as primary issues; not secondary ones.
John Lee wrote: If persecution in the states causes the word of faith, health and prosperity hawkers to crawl back under their rock, it will have served a useful purpose.
Yes brother John, persecution can certainly cause the wheat to be separated from the tares. I canâ€™t imagine anyone wanting to be persecuted, but if it happens those that are should praise the Lord.
Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35. "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36. and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37. "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 5:10 â€śBlessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 â€śBlessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 â€śRejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Adriel wrote: â€śâ€ťA pastor in northeast India has been rescued after a gang of radical Hindus locked him in a room and left him to dieâ€ťâ€ť God had him rescued which means HE still has work for him to do. May God continue to use him in the villages. May his work bear fruit for Christ Jesus. Amen.
Well said Adriel! The below shows how much Paul wanted to depart this world, but why that wasnâ€™t the Lordâ€™s plan at that time.
Philippians 1:19 for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 20. according to my earnest expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. 21. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24. yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake. 25. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy in the faith,
James Thomas wrote: Here's one example of what your looking for. The term "wondering stars" is a metaphoric descriptive term for the angels which kept not their first estate (verse 6) Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Thanks James for the scripture. But you and I would say that there are verses that mean a literal star. The fact that sometimes they are used metaphorically doesn't give us a license to plug that in when it suits us.
Sunnyday wrote: When I was pregnant with my 3rd child I had a test come back saying he has spina bifida. My doctor advised terminating because the child would need a lifetime of care. Took doctors advice and terminated the doctor. My son did have some minor neurological problems but had excellent medical care to overcome them. The child is now a combat medic and is going to school to become a Physician's Assistant. As it turns out my son ended up saving my life when I was choking and had zero ability to breathe. We serve and awesome God!
John Lee wrote: Kieron, if you stick around long enough, you will see that this SA forum has limits placed on what you may or may not post. Therefore, although Free Speech is held by SA, it is not Free Speech without limits. For example, certain words and names are held by SA software or database, and if you attempt to post using those words or names, your whole post will be rejected. This is only common sense. You cannot permit absolute freedom to speak or post using swear words for example, or make threats against other posters. You may not put bomb-making information in your post nor anything that is likely to cause an upheaval. Have you not noticed that some posts are removed by the moderators? There is such a thing as etiquette on a Christian board.
Absolutely perfect brother. And we can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater. And there are many more things like lying under oath, etc.
Mike wrote: Agree with your thoughts on this, Frank. We also could ask where else in Scripture are angels presented as taking the form of bright lights in the sky?
Thanks Mike! IMO, the whole issue revolves around the hermeneutic we use. Many are quick to say something is figurative to help support their interpretations. Iâ€™m sure both of us could give tons of examples of this. Some things like Jesus being a door or God holding the world in His hand are clearly not literal, but many other things are.
If Iâ€™m not mistaken the Mormons believe that God has a human body. They take something that is analogous and make it literal and they pick and choose to suit their own false doctrines.
My guess is all Christians are guilty of doing this to some extent; including me. I liken it to forcing the pieces of a theology puzzle into the puzzle. Or something like that.
John Lee wrote: Frank, as you know, peer pressure is very strong among the weak. So many people have little confidence in themselves, and so they are ripe for brain washing. Another example is that the American film industry has convinced most that divorce is satisfactory and is even promoted as the best way forward. Times have changed since we were little boys, brother. Thanks for the scripture text, I had not thought of it in that light before.
You are right brother. Negative peer pressure is probably one of the worst human evils that we have. Christians often donâ€™t speak out because of their peers and much of their thoughts about life and scripture are either silenced or modified to suit their peers. But, we are to love and serve our Lord above all else.
You do realize that I will be pondering this all day now.
John Lee wrote: Matthew 2:9 KJV (9)Â When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. Whatever this thing was, it was capable of standing, and presumably also sitting. It could move at will, and travel great distances.
Why couldnâ€™t the Lord simply allow these men to see the star the way they did; as a guide. IOW, the star moved â€śfor themâ€ť and the Lord helped them follow it. Yes, this would be a miracle, but there is nothing difficult for the Lord. When they got to the manger, the Lord said stop, you are here. Or an angel from heaven helped them navigate using the star. Of course the Lord didnâ€™t need to use a star, but He did.
Saying it was solely an angel doesnâ€™t detract from the meaning, but it changes what was said. An angel would have been just as miraculous. Just because we donâ€™t understand how or why the Lord used a star doesnâ€™t change the fact that He did.
No argument with you or QC, just the musings of an old man.
John Lee wrote: Folks like these have not yet come to realise the miracle of human life and how the Creator is intimately involved with every last one.
Amen Brother! It is amazing to me that a woman can be pressured to murder her unborn child. I simply donâ€™t understand the weakness of a person who would do that. And I think statistics say that 1 in 4 women in the U.S. have murdered their unborn child.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @Frank I definitely agree about the more questions than answers! I personally think too many obsess to much over this topic. I really hate both the scammy profiteering by â€śexpertsâ€ť hawking their latest speculative book and the attitude that any inconveniences to living the Christian Life in the West are surefire â€śsigns of the timesâ€ť and mean Christâ€™s return is imminent- but decades of hardcore Christian Persecution throughout history and in other parts of the world somehow donâ€™t â€ścountâ€ť. I found this article the other day that sums up my position pretty well: https://gentlereformation.com/2020/12/08/how-do-we-deal-with-the-end-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR0YbRGQJwgengYHSbPSFhe2PNpDmemACCt-guEAlo2XFMGAwmw3cl-qx-o
Thanks for the additional information and your kindness. I also think that people obsess too much over these kinds of topics.
John Lee wrote: (20)Â The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. So a star could be a twinkling thing in the sky, or it could be an angel of a church, which some say is the overseer or elder. And a golden candlestick could be a golden candlestick or it could be a church headed up by Christ the King. Phew!
Very good example brother. Someone with a bad hermeneutic would say because the star in Rev. 1:20 was an analogy, then that means the word star â€ścould beâ€ť analogous in another verse. I simply yield first to the word and its normal definition and then to the context if necessary. The below 2 verses appear to be talking about a literal star. I admit that some things are clear; Jesus is not a literal door and other things are not.
And what QC is pondering might be right, but it is not my hermeneutic.
Matthew 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
The Quiet Christian wrote: I believe they listen by local radio broadcast, Chrisgp. Some here in the US do the same. Fellowship is problematic, though. Guess you can still wave through the windscreen or side windows. May the Lord.make our Canadian brethern to shine brightly with His reflected light as Canadian society grows darker, and not just from the season.
Amen to your prayer brother! I can't imagine how any government can tell a church how and where they can meet and worship their Lord and Savior.
Acts 5:29 â€śThen Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.â€ť
For those that resist these ordinances:
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
John Lee wrote: A natural phenomenon could not have been accurate enough, Quiet Brother. I had not thought of an angel, but that is a possibility, thank you. That could very well be correct. After this interview the wise men went their way. And the star they had seen in the east guided them to Bethlehem. It went ahead of them and stopped over the place where the child was. Matthew 2:9 NLT
Pilgrim, I think you and I agree on this issue. If the bible says a star, then I will assume it meant a star. IOW,"when possible" we should take what is literal as literal and not spin it away. The best example is the big bang theory. Science says it started with matter the size of a pin. Isnâ€™t there something like 100-125 billion galaxies with each containing approximately 100-200 billion stars? Now that must have been one big bang!
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @ Frank â€śAnd Iâ€™m sure there are more?â€ť Most of the positions you posted are variations of Dispensational Pre-Millennialism. There is also Historical Pre-Millennialism, Amillennialism, and Post-Millennialism.đź‘ŤđźŹ»
Thanks for the additional information concerning the different millennial positions. That is one area that I studied and ended up with more questions than answers. I am a pre-millennialist, but canâ€™t defend my position very well. The only end-times position that I take a stand on is I am a post-tribulationist and I also will argue that the Vatican is the great whore in Rev. Over the years I have convinced no one that I am right when they disagree. The areas you noted are among the most divisive areas in scripture. The biggest difficulty is what is literal and what is figurative; IOW what is our hermeneutic. I also am not a big fan of using the so-called expertâ€™s opinions, just because they are Dr. so and so.
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.â€ť
Wayfarer pilgrim wrote: I really donâ€™t understand anything that would cause one to decide to alter their secondary characteristics and then say,â€ťIâ€™m a female or Iâ€™m a man â€ś. My son is transgender- what they will not say is, when you decide to change for the worse, there will be family members that whoop and hollar their approval. But, since Iâ€™ve lost my son, Iâ€™m not included in that party. Itâ€™s akin to the prodigal son rolling with the pigs and demanding everyone else jump in the pen with him. Sin makes you miserable.
I understand what you are saying brother. The pain belongs to us, not them. Society seems to say that if parents reject them, then the parent is guilty of being unloving, but the opposite is true.
1.Preterism = the belief that the end-times as noted in Revelations and â€śmostâ€ť of the Olivet Discourse were fulfilled during the days of Nero.
2.Pre-tribulation= the belief that the church will be raptured prior to the 7 year tribulation period.
3.Mid-tribulation rapture= the rapture will occur 3 Â˝ years after the tribulation begins. The church will be present during the first 3 Â˝ years of tribulation.
4.Pre-wrath rapture = the tribulation period is divided into Satanâ€™s wrath and Godâ€™s wrath. The church will undergo Satanâ€™s wrath, but not Godâ€™s wrath. The church will be raptured prior to God pouring out His wrath on the ungodly.
5.Post-tribulation rapture= the church will be present during the entire 7 year tribulation period. The rapture occurs at the very end.
6.Those who honestly are confused and therefore take no dogmatic position.
7.Pan-tribulationists = those who say it doesnâ€™t matter which one of the above are correct; it will all pan out in the end.
8.Those who profess a belief in preterism or pre-tribulation rapture in part because they say they donâ€™t want to go through any tribulation.