John Barleycorn wrote:
threat to the Chruch today?

... Governor Palin is a true conservative. She is pro-life. She is pro-Second Amendment.....She was rightly critical of the invasion of Iraq, once calling it a "war for oil." Speaking of oil, she believes we should drill for oil in Alaska and throughout the U.S., ..
In essence, Sarah Palin is everything that John McCain isn't. Which leads to the question that was asked long ago by the Hebrew prophet: "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" ]

After watching a week of ridiculous attacks on Sarah Palin which so clearly exposed, yet again, the rank hypocrisy of the left and their lapdog media, I was almost ready to vote for McCain and Palin myself. Almost.

But I won't. I was never keen on McCain to begin with, and his decision to add a woman to his ticket sealed my decision. I won't vote for them. Why? Because I'm a sexist (as many accuse)? No. But because I'm a theist.

I believe in the God of the Bible and I want to see my life conducted according to His Word, and the life of our nation reflect the teaching of His Word. I will not throw my vote behind the Christ-hating egalitarian agenda of the socialist elitists of this nation.

hidemi williges wrote:
..call themselves "Christian".

Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)(like McCAIN)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Sponsored bill providing sex education for kindergartners.

[URL=http://www.layman.org/layman/the-layman/2008/3-pre-ga/ed-synod-police-will-force.htm]]]Synod property police will force padlocking of congregations[/URL]

"It won’t work. Coercion – historically the last gasp of failing regimes – never does. It only steels the conviction of those whom it oppresses.
....
Kirkpatrick, who has earned the dubious honor of overseeing the most precipitous decline this denomination has ever known, is about to add another failure to his tally. Cajoled by his counsel, synod apparatchiks will run roughshod over presbytery prerogatives. They will bludgeon congregations whose only sin is that they love Jesus and wish to worship him unencumbered by denominational syncretism.

"Martyrs will be made, and Presbyterians in the pews will be driven further from overlords who cling to an ersatz authority.

I liked what Al Mohler had to say about Gov. Palin, and then read this,
with the basic outline being
"the question of whether or not it is biblically proper for a woman to rule over men in the civil sphere"

a number of posters here would agree with Mohler, using these points
1.Biblical Standards Do Not Apply to Civil Magistrates

2.Egalitarianism Is Biblical in Public Life

3.
Historical Examples Like Queen Victoria, and Exceptional Biblical Cases Like Deborah Are Valid Guides, Even Though Old Testament Precept Is Not

Conclusion:
National Leadership for Mothers is as Pleasing to God as Faithful Service in the Home

this paper takes the tack of

Using as common ground
Sufficiency of Scripture and the Biblical Requirements for Christians Selecting Civil Magistrates

1A
Male Leadership and the Creation Order

2A
The Bible Does Strictly Prohibit Women From Leadership as Civil Magistrates

3A
The Elevation of Experience Over Scripture; Fundamental Hermeneutic Principles Violated

4A
The Devaluation of Christian Womanhood

IS this Evangelical Compromise?

DJC49
wrote:
8/25/08 8:46 PM DJC49
Chronological Bible debate
"We have probably +95% of the original in our Bible versions.The rest is debatable" 9/7/089:13PM
John L. Zubly's rationale

Well I guess if you take 95% of that chapter of 1 Kings, you'd be right.
And then as you go OUT of the Chapter to try to cover up the reason for the rebellion, you end up,
as usual
and inevitable for one of your school,
95% right.

But as, in context, as was quoted,
Page 40 "There is a very remarkable instance of this in the reign of the son of Saloman(sic). He goes on to sum up "
for this thing is of me, saith the Lord."

"I do not mention all this to justify or approve in every respect the conduct of the ten tribes, but to observe that if Rehoboam had taken the advice..." [ not to make oppressive taxation ]
"division would not have happened."
1 Kings
12:19 "So Israel rebelled" ....
12:24 "Thus saith the LORD, ..return every man to his house; for this thing is from me."

Page 40 "There is a very remarkable instance of this in the reign of the son of Saloman(sic). He goes on to sum up "1 Kings throughout"." "

for this thing is of me, saith the Lord."

DJC49 wrote:
passage (or passages) in Holy Writ which advocate for revolution against a government and the circumstances when such overthrow is ... approved.

As a godly men who wanted oppression of the king to cease, to retain peace
see

Zubly and the American Revolution : a Selection of His Writings ... "return every man to his house, for this thing is of me, saith the Lord." ...
a 1766 Bible passage used to support Providential Revolution VS OPPRESSION.

[URL=http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=60]]]Election sermon 1790[/URL]
"civil government,as ordained of God, in the hands of the mediator;of civil rulers,as holding their commission and authority under Christ;of their duty and dignity as his Ministers"

Rom 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Fox, here, is using the communist/sodomite/evolutionist/pagan Associated Press for their text, and the Associated Press adds the Sodomite disparaging label of 'pray away the gay'. This kind of 'bait and switch' takes the focus off God's Word.
INTRINSIC to this is mockery of what
is actually being said.

Note the propaganda label of Focus
"a national Christian fundamentalist organization" rather than, as Focus is actually, an evangelical organization.
fundamentalist?Jihad?

Howard Friedman -Religion Clause blog- on Palin’s commitment to the constitution over Scripture when governing:

"Her respect for the state constitution was illustrated by her first veto as governor. Alaska’s Supreme Court had ordered the state to provide health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees, finding that this was mandated by the state constitution’s equal protection clause. Palin vetoed a subsequent attempt by the legislature to enact legislation to take away the same-sex benefits. After being advised by the state attorney general that the legislation was unconstitutional, she said that signing the bill would be in direct violation of her oath of office. (Anchorage Daily News, Dec. 29, 2006 article.)"

http://dwb.adn.com/news/government/legislature/story/8525563p-8419318c.html

Pastor Andrew Webb wrote:
wondering what you all think about the closing? ....closes using part of the Lord's Prayer

Looking at his church web site, I can find not a SINGLE QUOTE of scripture.
(ref. to verses, but no quotes)
It is interesting that this particular ending is used.
This last sentence is omitted by NU Text, by all the modern translations except MKJV, NKJV, LITV. On what basis? Only Aleph, B, Z and D of the uncials omit the doxology, joined by Tertullian, the Italic and Vulgate versions, and Cyprian and Origen of the early Fathers. Yet thousands of mss. have it, and nearly all the 2nd century versions except the Old Latin.

"For thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" omitted by DR, RV, Ne, NIV, NKJV marg., RSV, GN, LB, NSRB marg., NEB, NWT, JB. AMP italicises the words, NASV places them in brackets, indicating "words probably not in the original writings (sic)."

If Moses, when he commanded the Tribes to choose their rulers, enjoined upon them an obligation to pick only qualified rulers, are we permitted to do otherwise? ... We are not free to commit sins of presumption, presuming upon the Grace of God, expecting Christ’s atonement covers such sins. Heb 10:26ff.

... as for our obligation of obedience to the general principles, we are not exempt from the necessity of obedience. .. “To [the Hebrew Republic], as a body politic, [God] gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any other, now, further than the general equity thereof may require.”
So the question for us is, “What are the rules of General Equity that we learn about voting, to which we must conform?” First, we must understand that we cannot vote for any man whom God has not chosen. ...
We know who God has chosen by measuring the candidate against God’s voter’s guide. We may lawfully only vote for such candidates who love God, are able, faithful, and hate covetousness.

rogerant wrote:
PREACHER

Rom. 13:3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God
to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is
the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for
they are God’s ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.

a 'bully pulpit'

[URL=http://www.theamericanview.com/dictator/media/1152/The_American_View___Program_172.mp3]]]Palin's VP status and her resume[/URL]

As Governor, Sarah Palin Has Done Nothing To Stop/Limit Abortion; Pro-Life Issue Ignored In Her Acceptance Talk, Her Two State-Of-The-State Addresses

rogerant wrote:
if I work in

[URL=http://backwaterreport.com/?p=1000]]]Palin on the ticket[/URL]
will follow McCAIN policy
which is why I [URL=http://ustaxpayerspartyofmichigan.com/national.shtml]]]support Baldwin[/URL]
and agree with those who are
[URL=http://www.covenantnews.com/newswire/archives/045940.html]]]
Protesting Dobson[/URL] for supporting a pro-abort on the basic of the bottom of the ticket.

besides the Biblical norm I mentioned
9/4/08 8:25 PM from
http://backwaterreport.com/?p=993

[URL=http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/john-mccain-is-not-pro-life/]]]McCAIN not Pro-life[/URL]

I do know that
Obama supports abortion even MORE-
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=16824]]]
Obama&Wife for Partial Birth
Infanticide [/URL]
and Palin personally is pro-life,
but I have the choice of voting for a Christian man for a pro-life ticket.

Don't cast your ballot for someone who supports abortion, if you vowed you'd never do such an evil thing.

rogerant wrote:
work

2 Thess 3:10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat...
12... we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

I've worked for the Lord for 30+ years, (and a Christian employer), though the above applies to any employer.Obviously a job promoting say, porn, or theft, or murder, or abortion etc. could not be sanctioned