Mike wrote:
The site did make me wonder what that microphone was made of. You know, the one that could withstand the 2000 degree temps as it picked up the screams in hell under Siberia. And it didn't help me understand what the reason for the judgment is for those already in hell. Do the guilty need to be found guilty? Do those in flames need to be consigned to flames? Sounds a bit like being sentenced to life in prison, and much later being judged and sentenced to life in prison. Is this one of those mystery things?

The second death/Lake of fire appears to suggest the ultimate end of those consigned to eternal damnation.
If the Hell Article is true then God may need to "re-locate" hell when He creates the new earth(?) Who Knows.
Perhaps He is going to transfer it to the Lake District?

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Mike wrote:
Any thoughts on what hell is like? The fire thing some hold hell to be seems a bit shaky, in that why would fire be tossed into fire?

Mike wrote:
No, but Hyperman can.

They added the verse "Thou shalt doest it thyself in cooperation with thy god" In the chapter on salvation.

This is at 1st Arminius Chapter 1 verse 1.

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Michael wrote:
I cannot imagine just what Bible you were using.

Calvinism and Evangelism wrote:
1] A command to the Apostles was just that viz. a command to them. We have no duty to evangelise the world. The churches' only duty is to preach the word, to worship God and to live godly and unblameable lives.

2] You can cast aspersions all you want on true calvinists who post on SA, even calling us hyper-calvinists and the like, but we leave God's work to God!

John UK wrote:
It is a fact that many Calvinists do not feel able to look any sinner in the eye and say, "God loves you, and Christ died for you." This is in accord with what they believe the Bible teaches.

Calvinism and Evangelism wrote:
Don't like someone's true calvinistic credentials, then call them an Arminian!
Tactics learned from the Devil by Rogerant the semi-Arminian who is feeling so uncomfortable!

Of course the REAL Calvinist judges him by his fruit, that is what OUR Lord taught us to do.

But then history records that false christians, false preachers etc will abound in the churches until the end.
They will take a leaf out of Satan's book and appear as a nice angel.

DJC49 wrote:
have you had the time and opportunity to listen to Brian Borgman's sermon

DJC49 wrote:
You are WAY off base in your assumption that Cornelius was EXPERIENTIALLY saved because God told Peter in a vision:
"What God hath cleansed ..."
You're REALLY s t r e t c h i n g Scripture, my friend.

John UK wrote:
I can't go along with that, let scripture interpret itselfActs 10:28-29 KJV)

Michael Hranek wrote:
Sorry there but I believe the context of Scripture bears on the fact that the Jews considered Gentiles as unclean or inferior

John
Really the same answer applies. Your text re "ANY MAN" - opens the way up for Peter to preach to the Gentiles who are the "any men"

Mike wrote:
What was the purpose of the words "whereby" (meaning through which) Cornelius and house "shall be" (meaning it had not yet taken place) saved?

God's words to prepare Peter here in the vision state "WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED" - is reference to Cornelius whom Peter would have not seen as acceptable.

But here GOD states the position of Cornelius before HIM = *Cleansed* = Thus saved.
All that was left to do by Peter was to preach the Gospel to the Elect.

Obviously GOD agrees that Cornelius was saved since HE sent the Angel and instructions in the first place, after receiving his prayers.

Note verses 10:36/37
"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)
37 That word, I say, **YE KNOW** which was published throughout all Judaea"

God sent His word via the Angel that Cornelius would be saved, - It is NOT Peter's vocalisation of the Gospel which saved him = GOD SAVES!!!
GOD didn't have to wait for Peter.

The reason why Cornelius had to hear Peter wasn't to make his mind up (free will style) - it was to hear the Gospel teaching, for God's further purposes in Cornelius's life.

John UK wrote:
Are you saying that regeneration is a separate experience to baptism with the Spirit? Like the pentecostals do?
And how do you square up the fact that Cornelius was told by an angel that he wasn't saved yet?
"Repentance unto life"? When Peter preached?

Calvinist Understanding wrote:
There is no new faculty created in us: it is the same faculty that we had before but now inclined in a direction which without the Spirit's work it would not have taken.

Heb 10:39. Eph 1:17-19; 2:8; 2 Cor 4:13. Rom 10:14, 17. Luke 17:5; Acts 20:32; Rom 1:16-17; 4:11; 1 Pet 2:2.

"Faith is the principal work of the Holy Spirit (Institutes 3.1.4).
Faith is the proper and entire work of the Holy Spirit (Institutes 3.1.4).
We cannot quicken faith in ourselves or predispose ourselves for it in any way. There is not in us any commencement of faith or any preparation of it."
John Calvin Commentary John 6:45

Calvinist Understanding wrote:
We all know that salvation is by faith and not works.
But what do you understand by "works"?

These three verses clearly indicate GOD doing something; - "give" "draw" and "given unto him"

They explain GOD's action in the process of coming to Christ and salvation.

Does the sinner have a part to play in these verse actions? EG cooperation, permission, decision, agreement, authorisation, aquiescence, approval?

Or is the action taken by GOD ALONE in Election?

If "FAITH" is merely a human faculty in the control of man's volition, What was GOD's actual action/input in/on the sinner to bring him to Christ?

Mike wrote:
1] An Arminian is anyone who isn't Reformed. At least I think that's how Castanet might feel about it.
2] Now about your chronology. That space between #5 and #6. Is that the space reserved for born-again unbelievers?

2] Nope Mike, the Holy Spirit only works on genuine bona fide believer material.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

John UK wrote:
If you want it in Welsh, get a Welshman to translate it.

John UK wrote:
Check out my 5.50pm post. You can read, can't you? Sure you can!

My last post was actually a response to your 5:50pm one.

Now c'mon John
Fess up!

Do you believe and teach that "repentance" is a human faculty, which is carried out before the indwelling of grace and the Holy Spirit???

Remember John in the 5:50pm post you declared that "faith" and "Repentance" were separate. So where do you place them on the ladder of salvation???
Bottom rung BEFORE election, calling, regeneration, faith???

John UK wrote:
Now by all means combine these together and call them both faith if you will. You are free to do what you will, having a freed will.

Do you thus aspire to teach us that "repentance" is done by the natural sinner - PRIOR to the gift of Faith???

If so Acts also records.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, THEN HATH GOD also to the Gentiles GRANTED repentance unto life.

"By REPENTANCE a sinner, out of the sight and sense, not only of the danger, but also of the filthiness and odiousness of his sins, as contrary to the holy nature and righteous law of God, and upon the apprehension of his mercy in Christ to such as are penitent, so grieves for and hates his sins as to turn from them all unto God, purposing and endeavoring to walk with him in all the ways of his commandments." WCF 15

Jesus said to His disciples.........

John 15:16 "Ye have *NOT* chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

If that rule was good enough for the Master and His Disciples then it is good enough for me.

I don't know which religion you advocate but I perceive you arrogate much faculty to the depraved sinner in his natural estate, on the journey to Christ and salvation.

Alas dear friend, I pray for you to receive the whole counsel of God.
And thus to give Him ALL the glory.