Darren wrote:
By the Book tell me What does Revelation 20 verse 1-7 mean when satan is bound for a thousand years

The periodicity of 1000 years used simply holds the meaning of a long period of time.

That period is NOW!

The Bible's promise to the elect is for ETERNAL LIFE - not just 1000 years.
Chosen by God from the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4,5) - AND there is no second period (millennium) of GOD doing a "double check" - making sure what HE has elected NOW is the right choice.

ALL that is required for the salvation of the elect is being done NOW by an omniscient omnipotent sovereign GOD with the power of foreknowledge. - SO HE certainly does not need another run at it by this fictitious 1000 year period, put up by the PreMills.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
it's The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism. Oh, and about early premil thought. A Brief History of Early Premillennialism.
As far as the Rapture is concerned, Why God's Purpose for the Tribulation excludes the Church--Thomas Ice and a couple of sermons, such as, Reasons for the Rapture and The Timing of the Rapture.

A raptureless, amillennial theology is purely Romish Catholic

PreMill and Rapture = Fairy Story!

AMill = Bible fact!!

Not you, pope wrote:
Thankfully these Bible Christians are endorsing a Christian who believes in the Trinity, the real Jesus (via the Nicene Creed) and truly lives his faith

A heretic is a heretic is a heretic!!!

Romney may get his god from man.
Obama as a Liberal gets his god from man.
Santorum like any other Roman Catholic gets his religion and theology from - you got it - "man."

Worship of dead bodies??
Worship of the T.shirt of some infamous papist.??
worship of myriad of graven images??
Blasphemous mass??
UnBiblical Traditions held superior to God's Word??

Quote;
"Third-Class Relics: Any object that is touched to a first- or second-class relic. Most third-class relics are small pieces of cloth, though in the first millenium oil was popular; the Monza ampullae contained oil collected from lamps burning before the major sites of Christ's life, and some reliquaries had holes for oil to be poured in and out again." (Wiki)

What Mr Santorum, nyp and other Roman Catholics worship...
Sad isn't it??

Dirk Yoder wrote:
With so many possible devices, it is quite overwhelming as to which one to use - stick, whip, steel bar, metal wire, barbed wire, baseball bat, taser, hand?

Almost Catholic wrote:
The Genevan reformer John Calvin, writing his Institutes of the Christian Religion at the very time of the Reformation, wrote

As John UK provided below you must be careful how you define "church" since there are obviously many that consider themselves "church" - But are not! For example the Roman Catholic "church" of the Papal antichrist.

See also the "church" referred to by Jesus in Matt 7:21-23. Where in V23 Jesus declares that, 'He doesn't even know them.'

Don't forget the true Church is invisible.

Whereas the Roman Catholic organisation is anathema!!

FLP wrote:
Can you get to heaven and not be in communion with the church?

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Eph 3:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

I guess fighting the good fight is no longer worth the effort for some so called Christians. Satan has won this round.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

Mike wrote:
Try to. That's why I wondered why you added "effectual" to calling.

Mike
Is God's call capable of producing an intended effect?
"Might" you consider it binding?

Do you agree that some who attend a church, even denomination, may not be true Christians, viz called by God?

Mike wrote:
By your using the term "effectual," you obviously think there must be such a thing as "INeffectual" calling, that you may differentiate between them. Otherwise "effectual" is redundant. It's just calling.

Sola Scriptura wrote:
Effectual calling is not in the Bible.

Were the following callings effectual?
Or not??

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, CALLED to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:6 Among whom are ye also the CALLED of Jesus Christ:

Does God lie here about this calling?

1Cor 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were CALLED unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And what? Peter here is exaggerating perhaps you think???

1Pet 1:15 But as he which hath CALLED you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation

I assume from your post that you believe that God's calling is INeffectual???
Perhaps you are of the free will crowd who believe God needs permission first???

Sola Scriptura wrote:
The passage is talking about what happens at judgement day.

"This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man;a who is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit,b he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it.c

a. Rom 9:11; Eph 2:4-5, 8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; Titus 3:4-5. • b. Rom 8:7; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:5. • c. Ezek 36:27; John 5:25; 6:37.(WCF)
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Sola Scriptura wrote:
God elects people to Hell, but only after He knows beforehand their decision. In no way, does God's election interfere with man's ability to choose.

The quote of "sola" above apparently disagrees with "Scriptura" here. Where Paul teaches that "NOT many wise, mighty or noble" are EVEN called.

BUT
Some are called!
Hence....

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"

And all this after his rejection of "the wise of the world" who hold the preaching of the cross in foolishness and are designated to perish.

So are we then to assume that people gifted with wisdom, which promotes them in the world, are rejected because of their lack of wisdom to make the correct choice.

OR
Is it that God does not even call them.

"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, WILL SEEK to enter in, and shall NOT be able"

Discerning Believer wrote:
Hmm. let's see, John was baptizing in a river. Ethiopian eunuch, both went down into the water. There must have been plenty of room for two people. John 3:23 "..much water"

"Both went down into the water"
But neither submerged.

As a Baptist you will say "Yes they did" But you cannot prove it.

I can say "No they didn't"

But I can be sure water contact was made. Maybe just a sprinkling.

You cannot prove that enough water to get all wet was applied.

Discerning Believer wrote:
Considering the following text,

20 ".....in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

If we apply this verse more specifically to the text, then we build an ark and baptise people like that.
Notice that this way you dont have to get all wet, just like Noah and family they stayed dry.

Now
Stop excluding people from baptism (the bible doesn't)
and
Stop using human verbal response to authenticate baptism. The Bible does not command this either.