Eric Harrah, former abortion clinic worker, says that "live births" were the industry's "dirty little secret." In the industry for 11 years & owner or partner in 26 abortion clinics, Harrah said, "it was always very disturbing, so the doctor would try to conceal it from the rest of the staff."

Live births from partial-birth abortions recently made headlines in Ohio when a woman was being prepared for an abortion at the Women's Med Center in Dayton. The woman went into premature labor and was then admitted to a Dayton hospital where she gave birth to a 25-to-26-week-old infant. Women's Med Center is operated by Dr. Martin Haskell, the developer of partial-birth abortion. According to news reports, this was the second time in four months that a woman had given birth during preparations for a partial-birth abortion at the center.

Interesting wrote:
in the Bible where polygamy is called a sin.

OPPOSITE OF BLAMELESS?BLAME
polygamy is DUMB(cf O.T. history)

Going through the internecine interfamilial warfare that had at its core the evil of polygamy, the O.T. teaches by example that polygamy is foolish, hurtful, destructive, and absolutely opposed to the design of marriage.

[URL=http://www.christian-thinktank.com/polygame.html]]]POLYGAMY POLY GAME[/URL]
The data for the NT seems rather clear. Although it was already a minority practice (outlawed in many countries), the stance of Jesus, Paul, and the early church are emphatically condemnatory
of it.

DJC49 wrote:
Erasmus

This has now been admitted by Dr. Bruce Metzger, that your(&his) Erasmus story was apocryphal(The Text Of The New Testament, 291)Metzger notes that H. J. de Jonge, a respected specialist on Erasmus, has established that there is no evidence of such events occurring. Therefore, opponents of the Comma in light of the historical facts should no longer affirm this report.

IN OTHER WORDS
STOP LYING
or,
to use charity, and assume you didn't know this and were unwittingly propogating a lie,
2 Pet 3:8 "But of this one thing be not ignorant.."

Wayne wrote:
Did I miss ?

Summary and comment by NRLC spokesman Douglas Johnson:

DJC49 wrote:
ANY

Only one week after the U.S. Supreme Court's April 18, 2007 decision upholding the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban (read Infanticide), Obama and 17 other Democratic senators introduced Senate Bill S.1173, FOCA.
FOCA would nullify the... ban on partial birth abortion. Infanticide would again be the law of the land. FOCA would also invalidate all state laws limiting or restricting abortion by any means including parental notification, informed consent, health and safety regulations for abortion clinics.

If I were Muslim, I would wonder about the statement in the Qur’an,

5:51 "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another ..."

There are examples to prove this to be false. A non-Muslim country sought to bring freedom from tyranny in Afghanistan, freedom from tyranny in Iraq, the Kurdish Muslims are overjoyed at the prospect of freedom. In the end of the last century a non-Muslim country fought another non-Muslim country to liberate Muslims. During that time Jewish doctors treated Kosovar Muslims contrary to the sura above.

If I were Muslim I would think twice about the imam’s preaching to hate the Jews and Christians when many imams and Muslims have never met or seen Jews or Christians.

This is the most profound prejudice one can describe. Many Muslims who come to the west are surprised at the friendly reception they receive. Why should you make Mohammed’s enemies your enemies?

If I were Muslim I would want to read the Qur’an to see what it says.

Christians,too, should know the enemy.

If I were a Muslim I would want to investigate why the rest of the world thinks that Mohammed was a pedophile.

Stanek has the whole sordid history on this affair, with links to the actual bills and umpteen news stories and legislative resources to prove her case. Go on over and take a look at her extensive research.

Lxx 29:13. reads:
"THEY HONOUR ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME: BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING THE COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES OF MEN."

"THIS PEOPLE HONOURETH"not the same as
"THEY HONOUR" LXX

"THEIR" of lxx is NOT quoted in the AV, rather, the word is supplied (were the AV authors inspired to quote the Lxx?)

"TEACHING [for] DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS"
not the same as
"TEACHING THE COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES" LXX

obviously, not the same documents, even in English.
and the Greek differs in wording, word order, and number of words.

Even your own best example shows LXX quotes differ VASTLY from the Authorised Bible.

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5707101422]]]Bible Q&A on LXX &Versions [/URL]

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Engineer, good versions of the Bible have John 11:53-8:11

I don't get your continued use of the ASV when you told me:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=25927]]]Bible text thread[/URL] Jim Lincoln | Nebraska
8/1/08 2:24 PM
Engineer, all I really need to point out, that the KJV is wrong for example, 7 of them where it uses the word "Jehovah" "Yahweh" may not be the perfect rendering of God's name, but one thing is for certain, "Jehovah" isn't God's name!

And you told me after this
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=25926]]]Jim's comment to Engineer says use ASV[/URL]

"ASV ... since ...so much more accurate translation.."
BUT ,
as I told you then, and I don't think you ever replied:

["The Tetragrammaton is
ALWAYS rendered Jehovah in the ASV
rather than LORD as the Authorised.
so do you
RECOMMEND `ERRORS' of 7000+
over what you call 7 'errors:"]

Jim quotes the ASV on 8/11/08 2:43 PM Genesis 12
" Now Jehovah said unto Abram " etc.

so, where are you WRONG;

your use of error filled ASV

John811 wrote:
because of the texts from which the English was translated

But if we type out TNIV's Jn 8:11 here, it would be:
" "
DELETED!

the point is the vast majority of greek mss.DO have the passage from John 7:53-8:11 without brackets or other questioning notations or cut entirely from the text proper as TNIV and others

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=2307164925]]]KJ Only As Slander #1[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=260713240]]]KJ Only As Slander #2[/URL]
Your POINT about texts upheld in the 2 above

Olympic athletes hear the cries of tens of thousands of cheering fans in China, Almighty God will also be hearing the death cries of tens of thousands of murdered Chinese babies. Many of their mothers will be screaming also as the Communist Chinese government applies their one-child policy through forced “abortions.” All “abortions” are forced because no child chooses to be murdered, but many police in Red China force mothers into murdering preborn children.

As well-fed men throw the hammer, starving Chinese prisoners hammer at big rocks to make gravel until it kills them.

Pro basketball players twist as they shoot baskets while Chinese prisoners twist as the police shoot their heads with bullets to sell their fresh organs.

Sprinters use poles to jump over bars, & Chinese Christians are locked behind bars and beaten with poles.

As millions watch runners “suffer” through long races, millions of Chinese prisoners suffer torture for not working hard enough in factory-prisons as they make cheap toys and tennis shoes.

rogerant wrote:
Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a NEW thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

See what a blessing the word of God is, when you let it speak to you, and don't try to correct it?

DJC49 wrote:
read the KJV exclusively.

of course we read the other versions:
some of them to see the history of texts that lead up to our bible,
others to see the New Age influence and
corruptions, so as to warn those unwary.

A good student is like Patton:Rommel published his innovations in the art of war, & Patton, a keen student of military history, possessed the ultimate advantage: he knew his opponents mind.

DJC49 wrote:
Absolutely NOWHERE else in the Bible is any woman referred to as giving birth to a THING

A Former Roman Catholic wrote:
a correlation between the Virgin Birth of The Lord Jesus Christ and OUR Second Spiritual Re-Birth

and besides,
Those who use modern paraphrases
-find
many
THINGS
which describe Jesus.
The Lord is described as thingS in all
the versions.

Bread of God (John 6:33)
Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Capstone(Acts 4:11;1 Pet. 2:7)
Chief Cornerstone(Eph. 2:20)
Door,Gate(Jn 10:9)
Horn of Salvation(Luke 1:69)
Alpha Omega(Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Amen(Rev. 3:14)
Beginning and End(Rev. 22:13)
Eternal Life(1 Jn 1:2; 5:20)
Light of the World(Jn 8:12)
Living Stone(1 Pet. 2:4)
Morning Star(Rev. 22:16)
Our Protection(2 Thess. 3:3)
Our Redemption(1 Cor. 1:30)Our
Righteousness(1 Cor. 1:30)
Power of God(1 Cor. 1:24)
Precious Cornerstone(1 Pet. 2:6)
Righteous Branch(Jer. 23:5)
Rock(1 Cor. 10:4)
Root of David(Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
True Bread(Jn 6:32)
True Light(Jn 1:9)
True Vine(Jn 15:1)
Truth(Jn 1:14; 14:6)
Way(Jn 14:6)
Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Word(Jn 1:1)
Word of God(Rev. 19:13)
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb(1 Cor. 5:7)

DJC49 wrote:
KJV translation (vs)
NASB (renders) as "Holy Child"

All Bible versions at times speak of Jesus Christ as being a thing or something neuter. In Matthew 1:20 the angel of the Lord says to Joseph: "fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for THAT WHICH is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Notice the angel does not say "he", but "that which",: it is neuter both in Greek and in English. In Lk 1:35 THAT HOLY THING which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." That holy thing is neuter, yet we all know that Jesus Christ is a person, in fact, God manifest in the flesh.
I John opens with a reference to Jesus Christ, yet it refers to Him as a thing. "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life." Yet Christ is not a thing, but a person. I John 5:4 "WHATSOEVER is born of God overcometh the world." This is a neuter. Are all who are born again a 'thing'?