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 9/21/17 6:45 AM |
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(John 8:32) @Watcher, Of course when engineers build buildings they don't need to account for earth's curvature! They lay a foundation which they level! However, land surveyors have to account for earth's curvature to get accurate measurements. "There's so much pointing to a flat earth that one is either willingly blind or ignorant." Like what? Everything you've claimed as evidence so far is not. In fact, no one has yet addressed how all the sailors, land surveyors, astronauts, astronomers, and the like have somehow been in some massive cabal to make us all believe the Earth's round! And they kept this up for hundreds or thousands of years? And, btw, it's not our fault observational science works.
@Shane, "Grace... and truth is whats needed. Grace comes before conviction." Very true. I hope all of us can remember this when we disagree. You have done a very good job of practicing this.
@Dave, right on! |
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| 9/20/17 12:02 PM |
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(TMC) @Shane
Wouldn’t that levy not being covered by water contradict Scripture when it says “all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered”?
Also, in your response to Christopher, you assume that man has only been capable of long distance sea travel for 500 years. There is both Biblical and Archeological evidence to suggest otherwise. Obviously Noah knew how to build a sea worthy boat, as did his sons. King Solomon, in partnership with King Hiram of Phonecia regularly sent his navy out on 3 year long voyages. The Los Lunas NM Decalogue Stone is a facinating artifact written in a blend of Phonecian and very early Hebrew. There are also coins, statuettes, and even modern DNA studies that suggest commerce and intermarriage between The Americas and The Mediterranean Countries.
You also made an assumption on the ancient climate of Antarctica. The waters of the deep would have been very hot, thus warming the ocean. There are maps from 1524 and 1531 that acurately portray Antarctica as it would appear without an ice cap, making it likely that it was mapped shortly after the flood and that the 1524 and ‘31 maps are based off much earlier sources. You can see the maps yourself in section IV of this article:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread670742/pg1 |
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| 9/20/17 10:12 AM |
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(TMC) This is interesting:
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. Gill’s Commentary: “...accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; (just before the Roman seige of Jerusalem) and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem, and besieged it, on a sudden, without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made; and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over Jordan, as Eusebius says, to a place called Pella; so that when Titus came a few months after, there was not a Christian in the city, but they had fled as they are here bidden to.” |
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| 9/20/17 5:44 AM |
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(TMC) @Watcher
See Genesis 7:19-20
The height of the mountains doesn’t matter. As flat earth theorists point out whenever the Bedford Level experiment comes up- water seeks it’s own level. If, as God’s Word says, all the mountains under heaven were covered, than an Antarctica rim would have been overflowed as well. Since, again, water seeks it’s own level, the flood would have drained off the edge of the world and into the “ether” well before the 150 days that Scriptures says the water prevailed on the face of the earth. “Let God be true, but every man a liar”
Common sense says that Surveyors shouldn’t have to adjust for the curvature of a flat earth, but they do. Common sense says that people who sail around the world would run out of supplies since the distances should be multiple times longer than all the maps show, but they don’t. Common sense says that on a flat earth the sun and moon should appear over 50 times smaller when they rise, but they don’t. Common sense says that if the moon is circling over a flat plane then we should see more than just one side of it, but, again, we don’t. Common sense might also notice that the lower edge of a “fisheye” lense curves things upwards- not downwards.
I vote we go with God’s Word and common sense!  |
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| 9/19/17 6:32 AM |
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(John 8:32) @Shane,
If an object’s electric charge is removed (can be tested with a multimeter), and then the object dropped, it will still fall. However, electromagnetism would require both objects to contain a charge. With Galileo’s expirement of dropping two objects of dissimilar weight, electromagnetism couldn’t explain the outcome. Both objects would have different electric charges, yet would hit the ground at the same time? That wouldn’t work with electromagnetism. Furthermore, electromagnetism also can have a repulsion effect. An electromagnet can only be of a negative or positive charge at one given time, it can’t apply both in the same plane at once. However, we are surrounded by things of both charges, so either objects with a positive charge or of a negative charge would go floating into space! Here’s an article from AIG you may find interesting. It contains a good section about relativity.
https://answersingenesis.org/physics/do-creationists-believe-in-weird-physics/ |
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| 9/19/17 6:31 AM |
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(John 8:32) @Shane,
Even if we were to assume that gravity was not the force at work, but electromagnetism instead, Earth has a weaker electromagnetic field than the sun, and this is for many reasons. You would still be left with the same problem + a host of others by discounting gravity. Tesla was arguing against Relativity in his older age, while he was writing to a friend who had died several years before, and was writing before Relativity was proven. Based off his actions and health, many have argued he had alzheimers or something similar. Tesla invented several useful things, and I like a lot of Tesla’s work (around here people would call me a Tesla fan) but he was working with Newtonian physics (which, btw, uses gravity as well), and invented some things late in life that don’t work such as the “death ray”. Not everything he supported was correct. It should be noted, however, Tesla did believe in gravity. Gravity is not reliant on Relativity. The laws of Gravity were proven and then applied in Newtonian physics. Using the laws of gravity, we can precisely calculate the rate at which an object will fall. Electromagnetism relies on objects containg a charge. A simple experiment will reveal electromagnetism can’t be the force at work in place of gravity. If an obj |
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| 9/18/17 9:36 PM |
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(TMC) @Shane
Thanks for your response. You are correct that there are no flights from Buenos Aires to Cape Town (A distance of 4,278 miles). However, starting next month, there will be regular non-stop flights from Melbourne, Australia to Santiago, Chile (A much greater distance of 7,022 miles)!
australianaviation.com.au/2016/12/latam-to-serve-melbourne-santiago-nonstop-from-october-2017/
The flight time from Melbourne to Santiago is about 14 hours.
The flight time from Tokyo to New York (6,756 miles) is also about 14 hours.
If the earth is flat those two flights should have vastly different flight times given their relation to the North Pole.
As to going to experts and teachers- did you not go to pro-flat earth teachers and experts to learn that view? Doesn’t linking to a lengthy mathamatical explanation make more sense than trying to write it out? Math is math, no matter if I write it out, you write it out, or a third party writes it out. Have you checked out the links provided and investigated for yourself? Math says that if the sun and moon were circling over a flat surface they would appear 50 - 100 times larger when overhead vs at the horizon. We can all see that is not the case. |
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| 9/18/17 9:19 PM |
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(John 8:32) @Shane, Actually, the geocentic model can’t account for many effects we can observe around us. One of the most obvious failures of the model is the disproportionate gravitational force between Earth and Sun. The Sun is about 100 times the diameter of Earth, has a weight 331,950 times that of Earth, a force of gravity on the surface 28 times Earth’s, and if it were hollow, could contain over 1 million Earths. The comparatively punny gravitational pull of Earth would never be enough to keep the sun and other planets in orbit! Next, there’s aberration of starlight. Aberration of starlight requires the Earth to be in motion to be observable. Then there’s trigonometric parallax. Parallax is the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object; especially the angular difference in direction of a celestial body as measured from 2 points on Earth’s orbit. To illustrate the effect of parallax, hold out your thumb in front of your face, and view it with 1 eye then the other. Your thumb will appear to move side to side relative to the background. If we view nearby stars on one side of Earth’s orbit, and then the other side of Earth’s orbit 6 months later, those stars will |
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| 9/18/17 8:25 PM |
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(John 8:32) @Shane,
First off, there's no verse to my knowledge that clearly states "the earth orbits around the sun". However, there is no verse that states the opposite or contradicts it either. I agree we must start with the Bible, however, there are many things on which the Bible is silent. For example, we cannot use the Bible to prove or disprove whether or not low land gorillas are predatory or plant eaters, as the Bible doesn't speak on low land gorrillas. Even though the Bible does say some about cosmology, it does not enfatically state whether the earth orbits the sun, or the sun the earth. This is a subject on which we must use our God-given ability to observe our surroundings, and in doing so, we have used observational science to prove the earth orbits the sun. Now, it must be said, there is a difference between observational science (science we can use the scientific method to prove true by observation), and historical science used to uphold evolution. Historical science is based on assumptions that are made and is completely unobservable. If any theory directly contradicts the Bible, than it should be dismissed, and the Bible upheld. However, in this case, as the heliocentric model doesn't contradict the Bible, and has been proven true by the scientific me |
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