John UK wrote: Here is the recommended prayer at the close of Tozer's daily today. "Lord, not more people, but more of You. Let me wait upon You, keep me faithful, send Your Holy Spirit. If You then send growth as well, I'll thank You and see it as an added blessing. Amen." As you say in your post, Rodney, God is so great, that we can never exhaust the revelation of him to our soul; there is always more.
Words of wisdom, Bro. John. How I need to practice seeking HIM - not results! Thank you for sharing this. It's what I need to hear right now.
John UK wrote: Tozer - "...without feeling, without meaning, without wonder, without surprise?"
Awesome quote! How often I am guilty of aproaching God without a sense of awe and wonder!
I spent some time earlier this week looking up verses that speak of God as creator. God's power, wisdom, and authority are seen in the creation. He is the one Who holds our future - the One on Whom we depend.
Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God: Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever: (Psalms 146:5-6)
There's the wonder of sunset at evening, The wonder as sunrise I see; But the wonder of wonders that thrills my soul Is the wonder that God loves me. - George Beverly Shea
The more I know Your power Lord, the more I'm mindful How casually we speak and sing Your name How often we have come to You with no fear or wonder And called upon You only for what we stand to gain God forbid that I find You so familiar That I think of You as less than who You are God forbid, that I should speak of You at all Without a humble reverence in my heart, God forbid -Point of Grace
John UK wrote: Thanks Rodney for the quote from CHS, yes absolutely, it is a subtle enemy who brings these things in, to try and take away the seriousness of a sinner's situation without God. During the week I was in a market town locally, and called in to a healthy food shop, and was amazed at the variety of good things available, including fresh fruit and veg etc. But I nearly fainted when I spotted on a shelf something I had never seen before in my entire life, and never expected to see - yep, a jar of vegemite. Oh boy.
Here's another: "The Devil has seldom done a cleverer thing that hinting to the Church that part of their mission is to provide entertainment for the people, with a view to winning them. Providing amusement for the people is nowhere spoken of in the Scriptures as a function of the Church. The need is biblical doctrine, so understood and felt that is sets men afire.." C. H. Spurgeon
It may have been Issac Watts - "When I survery the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died,"
Good to hear from you, bro. I was getting worried that you may have fallen headlong into a drum of Vegermite and drowned. BTW, am I more of a dag or a nong?
John UK wrote: And when all this is going on, the Lord knocks at the door of the church, asking entrance. And what happpens when he is ignored, the church inside having such a whale of a time without him and quite content to have it so?
"Entertainment is the devil's substitute for Joy, the less joy of the Lord you have the more entertainment you need." - Leonard Ravenhill
John UK wrote: 100. All people that on earth do dwell
Quite so, John. In fact the name of the tune is "Old 100th".
I was afraid of that. I'll saddle up the skeeter and be down your way in a jiffy. We'll grab it with a lasso and let the skeeter pull it back over. While you're waiting on me, see if you can find a few extra barrels of Vegermite that we can tie on for ballast.
My point was that when the NT writers used the word "psallo", they would have no reason to reinvent the meaning of the word to exclude musical instruments. The word clearly indicates music created by singing or by instruments. If the NT writers meant to exclude instruments, they might have chosen a different word.
@ Psalms Only,
Thank you for your input. John and I stand on different sides of the Psalms only debate, but we recognize our differences in that regard and love each other anyway. I purposely didn't ask him about exclusive psalmody because we have thoughtfully discussed it before and I know of no new evidence that has come to light which would change either of our minds.
John UK wrote: 1. Bro, I rather think that Paul is giving instruction on orderly worship. 2. It's interesting that it compares with synagogue worship, as we find it in the gospels.
1. Agreed. Although I think you stated it more succinctly (more better) than I did.
Here are a couple definitions of the word "psallo" [G5567]:
Strongâ€™s: "Probably strengthened from psaoĚ„ (to rub or touch the surface; compare G5597); to twitch or twang, that is, to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes): - make melody, sing (psalms).
Thayerâ€™s: 1) to pluck off, pull out 2) to cause to vibrate by touching, to twang 2a) to touch or strike the chord, to twang the strings of a musical instrument so that they gently vibrate 2b) to play on a stringed instrument, to play, the harp, etc. 2c) to sing to the music of the harp 2d) in the NT to sing a hymn, to celebrate the praises of God in song
Again, the idea of voices and instruments together.
I have thought that the point of 1Cor. 14:26 was that Paul was trying to deal with a "free-for-all" situation with several people vying for attention to the detriment of the body. I'm sure, however, that there are other lessons to be learned as well.
Let me run something by you and you can let me know what you think:
(1 Corinthians 14:15) â€ś...I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.â€ť
The word that is translated "sing" is the Greek word "psallo" (G5567). In the NT it is used 7 times, and it is translated "sing", "making melody", and "sing psalms". What I find interesting is that in the OT Septuagint, it is additionally used to denote playing instruments:
(1 Samuel 19:9) And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
The English phrase, "played with his hand" is "psallo" in the Greek. You can find something similar in Sam. 16:16, 17, 23 & 2Kings 3:15. Of course the verb is used all through the Psalms themselves.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Well, lbug did you have a great talk with your Catholic bishop to get recharged with the Romish nonsense?
Smoke and mirrors, Jim. You think you can make your case by trying to pin an RC"C" label on your opponents? That doesn't hold water. Might I ask if you believe in the trinity? Because by your logic, if you do then you are in the RC"C" camp as well.
ladybug wrote: That verse does not mean GOD commands men to force others into slavery. What was the context? Why was this stated by God? Answer these questions and you will see it wasn't about taking them against their will and forcing them to labor for the sake of the slave owner. Cherry picking verses, pulling them out of context and trotting them out as proof texts to uphold a view is never wise.
"A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text." - D. A. Carson
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Brother Rodney, my fellow Tennesseean!! How goes it? Trust all is well with you and yours. God bless you my friend
Hey, US! I've been doing well. Thanks for asking. I haven't had time to participate much here on SA lately, but I haven't forgotten about everyone. (Of course, the older I get the worse my memory gets. ) I get a few emails from some of the guys on here. It's good to be reminded that God has His people everywhere, that He's actively at work in the lives of each of His saints, and that He is faithful to finish the work He has begun.
I pray things have been going well with you, also. I've been trying to send some rain up your direction so you won't have problems with wildfires like you did last year.
1 Cor 10:6 wrote: No one said that stealing was right. In the New Testament we have Paul talking about slaves obeying your masters. If slavery is a sin why did (God's holy, no fault, without error word) Paul not say stop having slaves set them free right now. Now I am not saying that all slavery is good. The slavery that is good is biblical slavery the one taught in the BIBLE
I agree. My issue with Ken's post was that it SEEMED to indicate that God approved of the type of slavery that took place in America. (Maybe I misunderstood what he intended.)
Sis. Ladybug - spot on! I couldn't say it better myself.