Great question Jago! I always ask this question to the local Baptists who come to my door to explain to me the gospel. They are not usually sure as they teach that the baby has to have knowledge of sin, so they are still innocent until they learn the ten commandments or are explained they are sinning.
Where the reformers taught that man would actually die from sin, whether an infant death or at any time in their natural lives, the Arminian will teach consistently that infants cannot die because they don't sin, and are purely innocent. Sin only are the wages of death for those who commit actual sin.
When I ask them why infants die if they have no sin, the Baptists at the door usually tell me it is just God's plan. When I ask them if it would be possible God's plan is that all men are born with original sin, and can die in sin, they will again deny this is possible until they reach the age of accountability.
They do not allow God to save infants by His choosing and His will, who are born in Sin, but that man must save themselves as they are all innocent until they knowingly sin.
It is all just a big heresy declared against Pelagius and Arminius, but Yamil and Mike sure love to spread it today!
"1. Now before we can fully appreciate how the Lord ministered to this man, we must ask, â€śWhat was leprosy?â€ť Leprosy was one of the most dreaded diseases of the ancient world. There are primarily two different types of leprosy. First, there is nodular leprosy which begins with pains in the joints. Then there appear discolored patches on the body and on these patches are formed nodules or lumps. As these nodules grow they ulcerate or blister and disfigure the face, hands, feet and the whole body in such horrible ways that there is hardly any resemblance to the features one may have previously had.
The one suffering with nodular leprosy becomes utterly repulsive both to himself and to others. Many scholars believe this may have been the disease with which Job was stricken. There is a second type of leprosy called anesthetic leprosy. This form of leprosy is similar to the other, except in this case the nerve endings are so affected that one loses feeling in infected areas. The muscles waste away, the tendons contract until the hands become like claws. Eventually fingers and toes and then hands and feet literally fall off."
Yes, indeed, the Arminian is the master of deception as to how they treat the infant.
On one side they suggest that original sin does not exist, and all men are born without sin. They claim new born babies, infants and young children are completely innocent and do not have any sin until they reach the "age of accountability" when they choose to sin. They claim this period of human perfection is a guarantee that man has no sin until they choose to sin, and all are saved whether they know Christ, believe in Christ or have faith because they are sinless.
This doctrine is heresy, and is Pelagianism which the modern Arminian like Yamil and Mike deny ever existed.
The other lie they teach about sin is that man has totally and complete control of their free will, and they have the power to sin or not sin. They claim man can choose not to sin, and like Christ, can go for years and years in the state of perfection. However, once they choose to sin, then now they must race to choose to accept Christ as their savior. It is their free will and the power of the flesh that chooses to sin at the age of accountability, and then man must choose to have faith in Christ to be saved.
Folks, this is all hogwash, and you are being deceived by these guys.
The Calvinist always will look to Christ alone for all means and grounds of our salvation:
"1. Dear ones, how we must guard ourselves against all such superficiality in our Christian faith. We must never trust in outward signs as being the essence of our religion. We cannot trust in our Baptism to save or to sanctify us, or in the Lordâ€™s Supper, or the Solemn League and Covenant to do so. Our trust must be in Jesus Christ alone to save us and to sanctify us even though He has blessed us with many such outward signs as means for our edification and growth in grace.
2. The reason we very often do not enjoy our Savior, forget our Savior, become so busy with so many other things in our callings to the neglect of our Savior, fall into sin and temptation is because we have strayed from the foundational principles of the Gospel of grace. We have forgotten how sinful we are and how merciful Christ has been to us. We have forgotten that without Christ we can do nothing. ***We have forgotten that the power to overcome sin and temptation resides not in our mere efforts, but in the death and resurrection of Christ.*** Is the Gospel good news to you? Is it the best news to you? Or are other things in life better news to you?"
It is just a matter of time before more Baptists begin to see Amazing Grace! I hope more of them will watch the Amazing Grace video and become more educated in how God is sovereign in all things, including the salvation of His creation.
Those who want to blame God for being Sovereign can take it up with Him on Judgment day when He separates the wheat from the chaff.
I suspect He will say that He left an entire and complete manual on earth for all to read cover-to-cover, and commanded all men everywhere to search the Scriptures. Those whom He called unto a saving knowledge of Christ ordinarily through the word and preaching will be saved, and those whom He called unto a saving knowledge of Christ extraordinarily in His providence will be filled with humility, joy and an everlasting peace. Those who, like on earth reject His authority and sovereign omniscience and omnipotence, will be nashing their teeth and cursing Him as they are sent into perpetual, everlasting torment and suffering.
Those Pastors who reject the doctrine of Amazing Grace on earth will be along side those nashing and complaining it was not fair in their view, but will know it was righteous in the eyes of their Creator!
Don't forget to use Scripture to interpret Scripture when defining the enemies of the church. Scott Hahn is trying his duty best to be a good reformed Catholic, but he is leaving a lot to be desired when he uses tradition to interpret Scripture.
Before you know it I think he will migrate to Judiaism as he is really mastering the ceremonial laws. Where the Reformers explained they have been ended on the cross, he and Rome are bringing them back into a new Prophecy!
Sounds like the Pre-mills in many ways. Maybe VanImpe will join hands with Hahn.
I often wonder what it is that makes the Catholics so convinced that praying to Mary, Peter and other statutes is normal, and not forbidden in Scripture.
As more miracles come forth from the Roman Catholic ranks, and CNN begins to pick up these "miraculous" events (likely to be supported by Benny Hinn, the Pentecostal community and a host of Arminian denominations) I suspect that even more people will be flocking to your fold. It really is a religion about statutes, incense, bells, alters, purple and black/white garments and host of other icons/pictures/cards, etc. The repeated prayers always got me as I sort of started to feel numb after sitting there in constant repetition.
However, I am sure thankful I picked up the bible and started reading cover-to-cover. The general Protestant community was as messed up after being taught by you Catholics the Christian religion, and following your traditions.
It always amazed me why the reformation was so hated by the modern Protestants, but after watching your worship service and theirs, I started to get the picture. The stained glass was the same should have given me the first clue.
Ok, I understand it is just there to keep your attention. Got it!
Listen, any time these alleged celebrities jump on TBN it makes me nervous as they have tremendous power to influence people.
I'm assuming using false names is a hoax that you and others enjoy doing on this thread as I have seen it for years, but I believe this is dishonest.
Nice try though, I have never heard of Frampton living in Michigan...thank goodness! I'll not raise the issue again, but on the topic of Savage he is fearless, but will turn against Christians next once he is finished Islam in my opinion. It is just a matter of time as indeed he is fearless, and the God of the Christians can be attacked just as easy in his mind as the God of the Muslims.
I however do find the lawsuit very interesting as I am going to see if I can get a copy. It would be very interesting to see if those arguments work as I have some ideas with my own lawyers if it does.
Lance, come on now, you sound like some of the Protestants on this site who cannot stand historical testimony. History seems to be a big waste of time for some on here, and only clouds their judgment.
But, there is nothing wrong with looking at the history of the Papal Nuncio and see how they dress in purple, and what amazing diplomatic powers with the European Union beast, as well as the rest of the world, they yield. She is a women well represented around the world would you not say Lance! Is it ok if I call the Roman Catholic Church a woman?
Indeed Lance, you have totally bought and sold your love for the Papacy, and I cannot for the life of me understand why people ignore history and Scripture.
The blood coming from Rome is so deep throughout the generations, and yet people absolutely cannot stand to research and study the history of the church of Christ and her advisary Antichrist.
Lance, I know how much it pains you to see a former Catholic like myself be overly critical of Rome. It hurts my parents as well who really firmly believe how can over 1 billion Catholics be wrong, and a large handful of Covenanters and Reformed Presbyterians be right about her being AntiChrist and the woman that rides the beast!
Perhaps I'm wrong about the Pope praying to idols as I did as a youth. Certainly, I could have been wrong, but I have witnessed this behavior a lot growing up.
Are you saying that Roman Catholics do not go into the pews, stare up at statutes of Mary, Peter, etc. and pray to them? Maybe I was misled when after confession I was ordered to do, for example, 10 hail mary's and 20 our fathers. I guess when I blindly did what I was instructed, and my trip up to the front of the usually empty church during confession, that my staring at the statutes was all just a big misunderstanding.
Ok, so I am wrong. So Lance can you please tell me what I was instructed to do that the Pope would correct me on as I see him with his hands together staring at a statute?
Please let's get this straight, because I know of people who do this day after day in morning mass and weekly confessions. If you can instruct me what they should do, per your direct knowledge from the Pope, I will see that they are corrected in our local area.
Get me the real facts Lance, as I am really tired of people telling me I don't understand the Roman Catholic church and its doctrine, discipline, form of government and form of worship. I need you to clarify it for me, please!
"This often included both recognition and privileges for the Catholic Church in a particular country. Privileges might include influence on the structure and direction of state education, exemptions from certain legal matters and processes, and issues such as taxation and government funding directed to the Church, as well as the ability of a state to influence the selection of bishops within its territory. Although formally the name concordat was last used in 1980, secular organisations still report the use of concordats and similar type agreements between the Catholic Church and both national countries and bodies such as the EU."
What about Papal Nuncio? Why are they dressed in Purple?
"Nuncio is an ecclesiastical diplomatic title, derived from the ancient Latin Nuntius, meaning any envoy. This article treats that title as well as derived similar titles, all in the Roman Catholic Church."
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" (Rev.17:4)
The article says, with the Pope standing next to the statute hands together:
"Pope Benedict XVI prays to a statue of Madonna of Lourdes in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican"
This is very common in the RC churches, as I grew up praying on my knees in front of statutes of Mary, Jesus and all sorts of saints. I used to have little cards handed of the Saints pictures to say prayers from the back.
Some people do not believe that this is what happens to Roman Catholics until they actually see it (see picture).
When you see the Pope praying to a statute, this is actually what he is doing. He is pleading before an idol of plaster like the golden calf destroyed by Moses! The Israelites were forced to drink it after it was ground to powder.
Could you imagine asking a local Priest to drink a ground statute of Mary or Peter? They would likely have a heart attack on the spot, but ask them to convert wine into Jesus's blood and drink it and they love the idea. The bread they claim is His actual body (converted through transubstantiation), and they don't know it is actually originated in the practice of cannibalism. I would like to see the Roman Catholics come up with a new drink of ground statutes as Moses required to teach them a valuable lesson!
"Why should any RC heed the words of an apostate priest, a man whose life is a complete failure?"
Gosh Lance, I'm not sure what former Priest you are referring to as the Richard Bennett I've listened to on Sermon Audio certainly cannot be remotely considered a "complete failure".
When you listen to his life stories coming up through the Roman Catholic ranks, he was one of the most faithful Priests you have had from my experience.
I understand that most Roman Catholics would never listen to a former Catholic Priest talk about the evils and wickedness inside Rome's tradition or canon law, but Richard Bennett does an amaazingly excellent job at full disclosure.
To the contrary, I have listened extensively to a former Presbyterian Minister, Scott Hahn, now turned Roman Catholic theologian. As you might have heard, he is extremely well liked in the Catholic community and does a good job of trying to tear apart the reformation and Reformed Presbyterians.
I like listening to him as it gives me some of the most modern views promoted by Rome's interpretation of Scripture and her tradition. You should really try Richard Bennett sometime to get the "inside" story of Rome.
Could you give us a hint if you are famous or just taking the name of someone often done on this site? As you know, fearless Christians usually come from the less famous as they have little to loose, and our celebrity friends usually move with the polls, hollywood producers or TBN.
Obviously the name is common, but getting a famous person to post publically is not using their own name.
"It may be run by the reformed but until now they have not restricted comments to those of the reformed faith only."
It is not in the interest of Christians to restrict the comments of everyone, but only those who persistently seek to lead people astray from the truth.
"Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." (1Tim.1:13-15)
We see that Paul recognizes his damage to the kingdom of God and the truth of Christ. He recognized that it was Christ who gave him the knowledge and understanding to preach the true gospel of Christ.
I believe this is why Paul is so critical against those who teach false doctrine and preach a false gospel. He stood against even Peter to his face. I don't think you have a free ticket or license to preach false doctrine any more than Peter did as an Apostle.
"OK MA, I get the point. I will get off the great commission subject. Give me a break!"
I would like to ask a question. Do you believe this site is owned by the government, and therefore by law all views have to be tolerated except the truth?
In fact, it is a privately run reformed Christian site!
Do you really believe that the Apostle Paul would govern this site and allow all sorts of false doctrines to be promoted without rebuke and correction?
Even though the government tolerates all forms of evil and wickedness to be openly taught to our children and the masses, do you think SA has to do the same thing on this site? The more you complain about censorship on this site, as well as others, and believe you are being unfairly treated because your views and tongue does not have "freedom" to say anything you desire, the more I see those who believe Christians have no right to judge you coming out to protect your "free speech".
During this election frenzy, I can see those surfacing to silence anyone who does not tolerate everyone except for reformed Christians. Think of SA as being someone's private home...don't walk into it teaching heresy and then be surprised if the owner asks you to leave so as not to infect his entire family.
Although we have struggled to find unity in our doctrine, worship and government, I would equally like to share my thoughts with you.
I've known you through SA for a long time and I am delighted to say by God's free grace that I firmly believed you are fully justified. Yet we see many who, whether Roman Catholic, Angelican, Mormon, JW or otherwise, engage in street ministries, but perhaps have not fully been justified in Christ.
I recall our discussions in the past where you firmly believed it was Christ who called you, and poured out His mighty Amazing Grace upon you that was sufficient to bring you to a saving knowledge of Christ.
Your belief in Christ was because of the Holy Spirit given to you freely by the Father, who places Christ firmly between Himself and the Holy Spirit within you, as your precious Mediator. What a perfect Holy Trinity of purity and holiness that is at work in our lives!
As Paul lovingly wrote to Timothy:
"According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry" (1Tim.1:11-12)
Don't grow weary of your sanctification and mortification!
Of course the reformers came up with the doctrine of Sola Scriptura from Scripture because they were the one's who translated it into English so you could read it for yourself. If you missed this part of history through your own ignorance, let me bring it to your attention so that you are not ignorant on this subject any longer. If you are unwilling to study the history, due to your lazy habits or unwillingness to take the time to learn history, then that is between you and the Lord.
All we can say is to please refrain from quoting the reformers or trying to explain the reformation if you are unwilling to study its period.
Like the 9-11 commission folks, from my own investigation I've found too many people on both sides of the issue conflicting. Mostly democrates and those who hate Bush lead the charge. However, if they are seeking a new investigation of this period, I am 100% for this phase. I know that history will reveal the truth of this period, and while the political campaign is ongoing I don't believe it should start now with all these people who are seeking political power. Let the investigation begin after the election.
Michael, I do wait for your biblical view of who is Antichrist in Scripture without your using any history. Thanks!
Is that 226 out of 2226 engineering professionals? I can get 1 billion Catholics and 500 million Baptists to say that the reformation was the worst conspiracy against the Bible, but it took only one man, William Tynsdale, to translate the Greek into English so that people could read it in their native tongue.
Numbers don't impress most researchers, and neither does Wesley Clark who has constantly come out in favor of political Clintons to get them back in office. If he can damage the administration with any sort of conspiracy, I would expect him to do it.
I'm not saying it did not happen, but that someone quoting conspiracies all the time has never before ever produced any serious truth in my own research, and those are are manipulated are like those who follow around the magic people pulling off all sorts of tricks.
I'm still waiting for the proof on the allegations that none of the terrorists were on the plans and their names were all contrived by the Bush Administration. Let's start here.
It appears they are looking for a new investigation and if this is the primary goal than I am supportive to this end.