enough already wrote:
wayne, because this is where you find the phrase, 'depraved mind', you can't pull words out of context and use them to support something other than what it was intended for. John the baptist came to make way for the Lord, how did he do this? By 'preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins'-Luke 3:3. Why did he do this? To 'make ready a people prepared for the Lord.'-Luke 1:17. It is the heart that is calloused to sin, God draws near to the contrite and brokenhearted. Relationships are formed in the heart. When I was humbled and my heart broken, then God saved me. I am not c. or a., I am saved by God alone, this only came to be after my heart was broken in two.

There is nothing in your comment that demonstrates that the unregenerate heart is anything but depraved because it has a fallen nature passed on to all the descendents of Adam.

enough already wrote:
DB and Micheal; in regards to total depravity, this is a condition of someone whom God has turned over to, or let go of, to continue on in their sins. I don't feel this condition applies to someone who has never heard the gospel; this is a reference to those who have heard and reject it. God returns the favor by 'giving them over to a debased,depraved,reprobate mind'-Romans 1:28. The greek meaning for depraved is 'unfit for, unproved, not standing the test-this is a mind tested by God and found to be worthless, useless. These are those who did not like to retain God in their knowledge, thus, God gave them over to this mentality. Not trying to pick any arguments, maybe there just needs to be a better choice of words used. God bless

Lisa wrote:
O and regarding the denomination thing...Hahaha...
Im about to be baptised into the Jewish root (as an act of repentence in being baptised into Christianity, which i have come to regard as a Catholic cult).
Im spending a lot of time repenting for getting involved in a false gospel...Yashua/Jesus was King of the Jews!

The Lone Ranger wrote:
Maybe he read Martin Luther's words "Sin boldly" "Commit some sin to throw the devil off." And no this is not the Christianity of the Bible, to answer your question Lance. The Bible teaching is "Abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul," and "Resist the devil and he will flee from you." If perfect doctrine gets you into heaven, what's happened to Martin Luther and his followers? Will they be in heaven teaching and believing such lies, to sin boldly and enjoy a little sin to thwart the devil?

The torture list is now reported on CBC Newsworld website. It is a list in a manual which was not authorized by the government and the minister for the govt says it will be re-written as it does not reflect the views of the govt.

Having said that, what about the reported use of water-board torture in Guatanamo Bay and the past reports of U.S. rendition of terrorist suspects to other countries to be tortured to extract information? What about the famous case of Maher Arar, a Canadian with dual Canadian-Syrian citizenship, who was detained in the U.S. when he was travelling through? He was arrested by U.S. authorities and flown to Syria where he was held in prison for a year and tortured. After finally being released, he was returned too Canada, where the Canadian Gov't ordered a public enquiry. The inquiry exonerated him and ordered the gov't to pay him ten million dollars as compensation. The U.S. govt has so far refused to accept responsibility for what happened to him. Mr. Arar is still on U.S. "no fly" lists and evidence pointed to him as completely innocent. He cannot even fly over the U.S. in an airacraft and cannot travel to the U.S.

John Yurich wrote:
That is also a complete and total fabriacation because the Douay Catholic Family Edition Bible that I have states in Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.".
What is with you Fundamentalist Protestants anyway? Why are you continually telling absolute lies about the Catholic Church like this one about Catholic Bibles omitting the Second Commandment from Exodus 20:4? Don't you Fundamentalist Protestants know that lying is a sin? I guess you guys think that telling lies about the Catholic Church is not really sinning since you guys consider the Catholic Church to be devoid of any scriptural teaching?

The RC book "Instructions in the Catholic Faith" by Parish Priests says "God's Living Teacher of Revelation--The Catholic Church".

Mike wrote:
That's ok. Canada is on the US list of nations with low defense expenses because the US will spend our money and blood protecting them. Then they can spend their money coming up with training documents critical of the US.

The minority Conservative government we have in Canada is definitely pro U.S. and has been doing a terrific job in Afghanistan. Canadian Forces have several thousand troops on the front line in S. Afghanistan. Also they are involved in training Afghan troops and police.

Several Canadian troops have been killed there in the past few weeks. There have been about seventy Canadian soldiers killed since Canada got involved several years ago. The problem is with some European NATO partners who have not been involved in fighting the Taliban in the dangerous parts of the country. Their govt's policy is not to be in combat roles.

http://www.rentapriest.com/web/?_p=1025&newsId=25&title=TOP+STORIES&catId=6

Lance Eccles wrote:
Wayne, I've read the so-called "Jesuit oath". No Jesuit has ever taken this oath, it is a fabrication.
And lyn, the disciplining of priests depends on the local bishop. If the bishop is bad (and unfortunately, quite a few are), then he will let all sorts of abuses flourish in his diocese --

I also accept to some extent your claim that local priests fall under the direct authority of their bishops and not the Pope.

However, the Pope, being in the powerful position he is in, could still exert a tremendous influence on the bishops and priests in the diocese don't you think.

Lance Eccles wrote:
Funny how people think that because the Jesuits were well organized, they are to blame if an evil ideology copies their good organization.
I can only imagine that somebody who thinks this way is deliberately deluding himself.

Michael Hranek wrote:
WayneM
Was Jesus circumcised on the eighth day as commanded in the Law? Certainly
Now if baptism (infant sprinkling) replaces the circumcision of the old covenant why did Jesus have to be baptized AS AN ADULT at the beginning of His ministry to fulfill all righteousness?
Want to think about that for awhile?
(Also note when John the Baptist rebuked the Pharisees...he wan't rebuking children was he.)

We are baptised as a sign and a seal of our covenant relationship with God. Since Jesus is the Son of God, baptism was not necessary for that reason, but vs 16 tells us the Spirit of God descended like a dove and lighted on Him. A voice from heaven (God the Father) announced "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." vs.17

MurrayA wrote:
Wayne,
And what, pray does this have to do with baptism??
As Spurgeon once challenged: "Can anyone find water in this text?" He further offered a reward to anyone who could. No-one ever did.
You have fallen for the old trap!
The fact is that what Jesus was asked to do was what Jewish rabbis would often do: raise their hands and bless children. Jesus was requested as a rabbi (he is often addressed as such in the Gospels, and the title Didaskale is a Greek translation of that) to do likewise. Furthermore, a minister acting in His Name may legitimately do the same.
However, because baptism is an ordinance that testifies to salvation, the moment one applies water to an infant, and not merely the hand of blessing, he is thereby making some kind of claim about infant salvation (already saved, provisionally saved, going to be saved somewhere down the track, saved but in danger of losing it etc.) - which cannot be proved at all.

JD wrote:
That is real silly wayne M. Men are commanded to believe the gospel. Yours is the silliest argument I have ever heard.

I accept that from you and the very silly Evans.

JD wrote:
Acts 13:46 does not make your case that men are 1) totally depraved, and 2) the total depravity equals total inability. You have a perverted understanding of the doctrine of man. You did not get your information from the Scriptures, the Spirit, prayer, or meditation. You got your understanding from your depraved (not totally depraved) heart. It came out of your own volition and I can prove that by the simple fact that I have read the Scriptures and did not get that from it. Therefore, what you believe is a matter of choice. It has nothing to do with total depravity though it might have something to do with a sinful heart.

"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18

Sure, men and women should choose Christ. But remember the ability to do this comes from God.

preacherjond. wrote:
Amen!! God calls, God draws, God convicts, but He leaves it up to the person to make a choice to accept or r

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48

Those who are ordained to eternal life will believe.

"And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." Acts 2:47b

"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Romans 8:30

There are some who think they can put off believing in Christ as Lord and Saviour until it is convenient. There is a big danger in this. They should make their calling and election sure. "Now is the day of salvation; now is the accepted time."

"It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

"In 1541 the reforming forces again gained control in Geneva..."

"In order to set up an effective system, Calvin used the state to inflict more severe penalties.

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:19-20