John 8:32 @Erik, You are projecting your personal opinion about what violates the first table of Godâs law (without Scriptural references for your beliefs about musical instruments being a violation, for example), and then claiming baptists are heretics because they don't agree with you. This conversation should be solidly grounded on Scripture, with Scripture references for beliefs so we can have a fair conversation about what Scripture teaches, not what Erik teaches.
â3. Can anyone give me a biblical argument allowing participation in pagan holy days like Thanksgiving? Did Paul participate in holy days instituted by Nero?â
We are commanded to remember the works and blessings of the Lord and to tell them to the next generation. The Lord divinely set up the âHoly Daysâ of Passover for that purpose. Throughout history His people have instituted âGood Daysâ also to that end: Days remembering His Goodness to all His People; Days remembering His Mercies to a particular Nation; and Days remembering His Blessings to an individual Family.
I do not know what days Paul did or did not participate in- but I do know that our Lord was at the Temple during the âGood Daysâ of the Feast of Dedication and did not rebuke them as you have done.
(TMC) First off- Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are privately owned companies with stated terms of service. If you violate those terms of service expect to be kicked off. If you disagree with those terms of service, use or build a different platform. Have these companies displayed bias and been discriminatory in the past? Absolutley! But people who have actually broken the stated rules donât get to play the martyr card.
Second- I looked into The Proud Boys a few weeks ago after reading this from World Magazine:
The Proud Boys group started as McInnesâ unofficial fan club, but has morphed into more of a gang with initiation beatings, and multiple levels of participation. The highest honors go to those members who get into physical fights at protests. In fact, after footage went viral of a non-member beating an antifa protestor with a board; the Proud Boys paid his bail and legal fees, and made him the founder of their para-military branch- The Fundamental Order of Alt-Knights. In short- these folks are foul-mouthed hooligans with an ax to grind and no respect for the rule of law- they are not âConservativesâ. As my brothers have said, whatâs needed today are Humble Men.
John 8:32 @Christopher000, Could you imagine if Trump or Pence had said the same thing Hillary said there? They would be plastered all over the news media being condemned as the typical Republican. That type of statement deserves to be condemned whether it comes from a Democrat or a Republican, but in this era of team player politics, if it comes from a player wearing a blue jersey, blue team will be 100% behind them no matter what they do or say. We must be careful we don't go there as well. The Democrats seem to have lost their minds since last election. Since when do these people think the ones who create the most violence, and violent rhetoric are gonna get elected? It's a crazy world we live in right now. Let's take up our responsibilities as Christians and do our best to be a light to those around us.
John 8:32, Hmm, very interesting... I didn't know you could "dirty" the RCC any more than it already is! You can't be "persecuted" for sinful behavior, only condemned and punished, or brought to repentance for your evil practices! However, it's disturbing that the same trend towards debauchery seems to be trickling over to some of our mainstream denominations like Presbyterian USA. Let's pray that the wheat in the church will be separated from the chaff, and we can see revival among the true church. That aside, it's not surprising to see a cult like the RCC going the way most cults do at some point or other: off the cliff.
World Magazine recently did an excellent article on the US and refugees: https://world.wng.org/2018/09/safe_haven_no_more
@US That cut in the amount of immigrants we took in that started in the 1920âs was part of the Eugenics Movement that also brought about forced sterilizations. The Eugenics âexpertsâ advising the cut particularly wanted the amount of Jewish people entering the country cut back because they claimed they had a âlower IQâ and would pollute the purity of the country. Thatâs why we deported a whole shipfull of Jewish Refugees back to Nazi Germany in the 30âs.
(TMC) @Don Tian âIt just shows you that Schaeffer, 'great evangelical theologian' that he was, had 0 control over his own family. He didn't even follow the Scripture that says a church leader should raise his children in the faith. If he fails that, then what can he be entrusted with? Other people? No way! Somehow, in the US, we think, well, at home everyone has problems, so let's not judge a man by his children. That's not what the New Testament clearly teaches.â
Firstly, the apostasy of a child does not mean that the parents were neglegent- the Lord regenerates and saves souls- all the efforts of the best Christian parents cannot.
Secondly, Franky Schaeffer left the faith when he was in his late 30âs, 6 years AFTER his father died.
Thirdly, I just finished reading âFor the Childrenâs Sakeâ by Frankyâs sister who describes the great care their parents went to to raise them âin the faithâ.
(TMC) @Jim Lincoln âdemonstrated public animosity towards a large group of people -liberals-â
Oh, please. Liberal Justices have not only publicly expressed animosity towards large groups of people- they have enshrined that animosity in opinion after opinion. Animosity towards un-born children; Animosity towards those who wish to practise the free exercise of their religion; Animosity towards private property owners.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has even gone so far as to publicly express animosity towards our own Constitution- thus by your logic she should recuse herself from not just âmany casesâ, but from all of them.
âTo the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.â Isaiah 8:20
âAll scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.â 2 Timothy 3:16-17
âYe shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.â Deuteronomy 4:2
âThis people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.â Matthew 15:8-9
There are so many problems here: 1. Seminary is an extra-biblical man-made institution. Every time the church adds in extras, things get squirrely.
2. One would think that those who are teaching and training elders should at least meet the Biblical qualifications their students will be expected to. Elders are to be âblamelessâ hold to âsound doctrineâ and âMoreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.â
3. Applying this standard, Patterson should have been removed a long time ago simply because of his public statements. Teaching that Christians are âneverâ to go to civil authorities, and upholding the sinful behavior of young men (even going so far as to call such behavior âBiblicalâ) is a shocking mis-use of Scripture. (See Romans 13:1-7; Matthew 5:27-28)
4. Because those statements were ignored back then, this is now being aired as a horrible witness of Christianity before the unbelivers and is bunny-trailing into a he-said-she-said debate.
Your welcome! Just to clarify, I was not trying to say that their beliefs about the trinity were correct- just that the plain statement âThere is One God in Three Personsâ happens to be correct no matter the spiritual state of the person that says it. Sort of like âThe sky is blueâ.
I would answer that as an organizational entity they have done nothing- with the caveat that in Godâs providence He can possibly use individuals who are at emnity with Him as unwilling tools to draw His Elect to Himself.
The original charge was that they âdonât do morals. (Or Bible. Or Christian. Or theology.... et al)â. I realize that this was likely said in jest, but Connorâs point about accuracy is valid. Theology is the study of God. Atheistâs have a Theology that God does not exist. Pantheists have a Theology that god is everything. Catholics have a Theology that there is One God in Three Persons. So they have a theology and that particular point of their theology is true.
Now, âThou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.â~ James 2:19. So, the factual points of their theology donât make them any better off than devils, but it does exist.
(TMC) I think Conner was simply saying is that there is enough legitimate evil and wrong in the RCC that we do not need to make up accusations against them. They quite obviously teach both morals and theology. Some of the things they teach also happen to be objectively true. To say otherwise is a matter of bearing false witness, not lacking discernment. Even broken clocks are right twice a day, and acknowledging that fact is not the same as suggesting we should schedule our day by broken clocks.
(TMC) @J4J If you do not believe that Christ died for your particular sins, bearing the just wrath of God in your place, then you do not believe in Christianity. This truth is acknowledged by ALL Christians.
God is just and because of that any violation of His law MUST be punished. Nothing you do can pay for your rebellion against an infinently Holy God. Our ONLY hope is that âwhile we were yet sinners, Christ died FOR USâ (Romans 5:8).
âChrist hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:â Galations 3:13
âFor this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.â Matthew 26:28
âHerein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.â 1 John 4:10 (Look up what Propitiation means)
âAnd almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.â Hebrews 9:22
âSo Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.â Hebrews 9:28
@Allie I do not think that calling the church to examine herself can rightly be called âpersecutionâ. The visible church is made up of both sinners saved by grace and sinners who pretend to be saved. It shouldnât be shocking then, when we discover that abuse, racism, or any other perversion is seated in the pew next to us. Seeking to bind up the wounded and bring offenders to repentance is biblical- covering our ears is not.
One further note on abuse in particular: In many cases the abuser manipulates the victim into thinking that they deserve to be treated that way and / or normalizes the behavior in the minds of both parties as not abusive. Between that, the stigma, and the eyerolling, minimizing response of many, âgoing publicâ is rarely easy.
(TMC) I have a friend who is currently dealing with an abusive husband, and she, her baby girl, and her family could really use some prayer. Things had been going on for a while, but they came to a head a month ago when he threatened to kill her. After the police came he told them that he wanted to kill her so they arrested him. He is now out on bail, and she got a PPO, but she and her family say that he has violated it on several occassions. Thankfully her family is very tight knit, and they are doing what they can to encourage her and keep her safe, but the whole situation is scary and stressfull for all of them. They are Christians and her husband claims to be one as well, but heâs deep into the Pearls and has taken some of their warped ideas to an extreme. Their main prayer needs are for safety, rest, wisdom, and for repentance and restoration on the husbandâs part.
Planned Parenthood doesnât own America, it just owns alot of âPublic Servantsâ. Itâs Money Laundering on a gigantic scale- Senators A, B, and C make sure that PP gets X amount of taxpayer money for âWomenâs Healthâ. Planned Parenthood then uses the money no longer needed for âWomenâs Healthâ and uses it to fund both Abortion and Huge Donations to Senators A,B, and Câs re-election campaigns. For the Senators itâs a great way to fund your campaign on the public dime and for Planned Parenthood it insures that few real threats to their evil work make it through the system.
Now what Iâd like to know is why this court is infringing my Freedom of Speech by not forcing State governments to cut me a check?!