What an edifying news thread with so many mature civil responses one to another...I thought this was an adult Christian site where one could go and engage with common courtesy and civility...instead it reads like a schoolyard slugfest.
Michael Hranek wrote: SteveR Your problem is not with dumb baptists but between yourself and God Hint: We baptist-types could be potentially the worst of sinners and you could do your best to ridicule us etc etc and all that would not make you right with God and btw for all of us who are genuinely born again of the Holy Spirit, not just born again Baptists, the Lord Jesus Christ is our righteousness And Jesuits would still be in desperate need of repentance and the ecumenically deceived and decievers too
Br. Michael Hranek: Know For A FACT That "Je[w]suits" &-Or "Je[w]suitics" Like "stever / mt zion[ist]" & his ilk Will Surely Burn In The Flames Of Fire In Hell-Fire & The Eternal Lake Of Fire If They Don't Repent !
Speaking To Them Directly &-Or Even Communicating With Them Directly Or Privately Is Only ***Giving That Which Is Holy Unto DOGS*** Or ***Casting Your Pearls Before SWINE*** !
The "JE[W]SUITS" &-OR "JE[W]SUITICS" WHO POST THEIR BLASPHEMOUS, UNGODLY & WORTHLESS COMMENTS ON THIS ILLUMINATI-CONTROLLED WEBSITE KNOW WHO I AM: AS I DEFINITELY KNOW WHO THEY ARE !
AS GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN MAKE ME KNOW, BY PRIVATE-GODSENT-DREAMS OR DIVINE-ILLUMINATION: WHAT THEY SAY &-OR PLOT IN THEIR VERY OWN BEDROOMS &-OR SECRET SIN-SICK HELL-HOLES !
Folks: The Reason Why I Said "GOD HIMSELF, VIA THE 'DREAM', FORE-WARNED ME HOW FAR THE HELL-SPAWNED & "JE[W]SUIT"-PUSHED CORRUPTED-ALEXANDRIAN-/-EGYPTIAN-/-SATANIC~VATICAN APOSTACIZING "N.T."-GREEK-MANUSCRIPTS & 'BIBLE'-PERVERSIONS HAD REACHED EVEN TO THE VERY PASTOR & CHURCH I ATTENDED !";
I Can Remember Back In The 1980s--While Sitting Before Br.-Dr. Pastor Wayne Van Gelderen Sr. As He Sat In The Church Office One Sunday Afternoon--Him Chuckling & Telling Me How The Church Congregation At THE MARQUETTE MANOR BAPTIST CHURCH (DOWNERS GROVE, IL, U.S.A.) Thinks That He Uses THE KING JAMES BIBLE When He Preaches; When, In Actuality & FACT He Uses THE ***J.N. "DARBY" TRANSLATION OF THE "BIBLE (WHICH IS BASED ON THE WESTCOTT-&-HORT CORRUPTED ALEXANDRIAN-/-EGYPTIAN-/-SATANIC~VATICAN-APOSTATE-"N.T."-'GREEK'-MANUSCRIPTS )" *** !
HISTORICALLY, THE J.N. DARBY-'BIBLE' TRANSLATION IS JUST ANOTHER "JE[W]SUIT"-PUSHED 'TRANSLATION' OF THE 'BIBLE': WHICH NOT ONLY CHOPS-OUT THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH (KING JAMES) HOLY BIBLE'S VERSE OF ***I JOHN 5:7***; BUT, ALSO SAYS IN IT'S (DARBY'S) I TIMOTHY 3:16 "And *Confessedly*" INSTEAD OF WHAT GOD, THE HOLY GHOST-/-SPIRIT HAS SAID SINCE ST. PAUL PENNED IT AS "And Without *Controversy* " IN THE FIRST CENTURY A.D. ! ! !
Now, You May Ask, Why In The World Would A Protestant Christian Fundamentalist Baptist Pastor--Like Br.-Dr. Wayne Van Gelderen Sr. Was--As Baptists Have Historically REJECTED Rome's, Romanist's &-Or The SATANIC~VATICAN'S Vestments, Costumes & Etc.--Would EVER Want To Preach Wearing An ANGLICAN PRIEST'S GOWN, ROBE, VESTMENT, COSTUME & ETC. ?
#1-One Needs To Understand Why GOD HIMSELF Gave Me That "STONE-DUNGEON-/-SARCOFAGUS-DAGGER DREAM" Back In 1980 In The First Place.
As Time & Historic FACTS Have Already Revealed To Me The REASON For The "DREAM" -&- IT'S INTERPRETATION !
As The 'REASON' For THE 'DREAM' Being A SPIRITUAL FORE-WARNING TO ME, FROM THE LORD GOD-/-CHRIST HIMSELF, As To HOW DEEP-SEATED &-OR DEEPLY ENGRAINED-/-ENGRAVED THE SATANIC~VATICAN "JE[W]SUITS" HAVE INFILTRATED, INFLUENCED &-OR AFFECTED-/-EFFECTED HISTORIC U.S. AMERICAN PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN FUNDMENTALISM-/-EVANGELICALISM:
ESPECIALLY NON-DENOMINATIONAL INDEPENDENT-BAPTIST AMERICAN PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM-/-EVANGELICALISM !
AND HOW GOD HIMSELF, VIA THE 'DREAM', FORE-WARNED ME HOW FAR THE HELL-SPAWNED & "JE[W]SUIT"-PUSHED CORRUPTED-ALEXANDRIAN-/-EGYPTIAN-/-SATANIC~VATICAN APOSTACIZING "N.T."-GREEK-MANUSCRIPTS & 'BIBLE'-PERVERSIONS HAD REACHED EVEN TO THE VERY PASTOR & CHURCH I ATTENDED !
"Pope John Paul II, in an address to the bishops of the USA (Region II), during their Ad limina visit in 1988, commented on this very text of Dei Verbum no.10 to define more clearly the scope of this Magisterium: "This Magisterium is not above the divine word but serves it with a specific carisma veritatis certum (ibid., no.8), which includes the charism of infallibility, present not only in the solemn definitions of the Roman Pontiff and of Ecumenical Councils, but also in the universal ordinary Magisterium (L.G. no.25), which can truly be considered as the usual expression of the Church's infallibility" (Address, 15 October 1988, (no.4), in L'Osservatore Romano, 24 October 1988). This authoritative interpretation of the teaching of L.G. no.25 on the universal ordinary Magisterium has considerable implications for theology, moral and dogmatic, as well as for scriptural exegesis. (T.McGovern)
And Francis is worried about a bank? With all that power?
Mike wrote: Just curious, where did that adversary go when he was cast out of heaven?
Hmmm? Never thought about it Mike. Here is a couple of choices.
1) He became an Arminian and lives in New York?
2) 1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: = Sounds close to home eh!
2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. = In disguise too. Why? to confound and confuse the mortals. Therefore he is close to work his temptations on sinners.
Job 1:7 says "And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." = This teaches he has powers to pass from heaven to earth therefore on earth he will weave his evil web.
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. = This appears to place him on earth.
Well done John. That's correct. Sin existed in heaven before planet earth and incidentally would not have changed its brand to come down here. So the correct answer is sin came first - Sabbath came later.
And since it is a spiritual power and influence it does not matter "where" it is because it is not confined to location.
John Yurich USA wrote: No, I accept the entirety of the Heidelberg Catechism. I also accept Luther...
'It was early received in the Netherlands, and formally adopted at the Synod of Dort, 1618. Long and bitter controversies with Roman Catholics and Lutherans on the Catechism only endeared it the more to the Reformed. It is to this day an authoritative confession for the Reformed churches (German and Dutch). The (Dutch) Reformed Church directs all her ministers to explain the Catechism regularly before the congregations on the Sabbath day.' [URL=http://reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://reformed.org/documents/heidelberg.html]]]The catechism here[/URL]
Surprised Mr Yurich has kept his allegiance to the Reformed Faith so quiet? How many of these Reformed sermons on SA has he listened too?
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?currsection=sermonstopic&keyword=the+Heidelberg+Catechism]]]SermonAudio sermons on HC[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=320132250302]]]Righteous by faith alone[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=112410135650]]]Luther's Bondage of the will[/URL]
The above Luther Bible teaching is your own John Yurich
Not your pope wrote: 1. The Trinity is or is not correct? 2. Jesus is or is not fully man and fully God? 3. Sola Fide is or is not correct? 4. The Bible canon is 66 or is 73 books? __________________ 1. Protestant Oneness Pentecostal leaders deny the Trinity. 2. Protestant leaders of all stripes (including many Reformed leaders) deny that Mary is the Mother of God, thus they deny that Jesus is both fully man and fully God. 3. Protestant Mennonite leaders deny Sola Fide, "The article upon which the Church stands or falls" (Luther). 4. Protestant 1611 AV translators noted in the cover page: "[All 73 books of the Bible are] appointed to be read in churches." By whose authority do you resolve these major doctrinal disagreements?
Okay. When I have time later, we'll do the same exercise with the differences within Roman Catholicism. Let's see how well your church fares, even with a humanly appointed Pope.
Not your pope wrote: 1. The Trinity is or is not correct? 2. Jesus is or is not fully man and fully God? 3. Sola Fide is or is not correct? 4. The Bible canon is 66 or is 73 books? 5. Salvation is via monergism (God alone) or synergism (God and man)? Since the 100s of Protestant denominations and 1,000s of independent churches all claim to interpret the Bible by the Holy Spirit but have many fundamental disagreements (e.g., 1. - 5. and many more including Paedo vs. Credo Baptism), is the Holy Spirit wrong? Wouldn't you agree that at least some of these unresolved disagreements "impinge on one's salvation"?
There is no disagreement in Protestantism on points 1,2,3,and 4. The 5th point is centuries old dispute and having read both sides of the argument, there appears to be substantial agreement and much misunderstanding.
It may serve your evil purpose to exagerate the differences, but most posters on SA will see past the subterfuge of a Papal imp.
Do you trust your Pope implicitly? On what grounds? Where in the Bible does Christ tell you to trust a man not of His appointment for your doctrine and salvation?
Not your pope wrote: Despite the English Bible translation you select, "[there are] millions upon millions of interpretations of the New Testament and its contents." -Reformed Pastor Trevor Hammack, Victory Baptist Church, "Jewish Perspective on the N.T." By whose authority do you resolve the 100s of Scriptural disagreements (e.g., Paedo vs. Credo Baptism)? By survival of the fittest denomination? By majority vote? Drawing straws? By a best-selling systematic theology tome? By throwing Urim and Thummim?
Certainly not by any humanly appointed so called "infallible" Pope!!
Also, you should get some perspective here. On all the major doctrinal areas in Protestanism there is agreement on what the Bible teaches. The areas of difference are by comparison small, and certainly nothing that impinges on one's salvation.
The differences between Roman Catholics like yourself (who would rather trust your salvation to some human authority) and the Protestants who trust only God are fundamental to salvation and the areas of disagreement so large that we are talking about 2 different religions!
Your silly jibes therefore do you no credit and I would suggest that you are not going to be making disciples on this website anytime soon.
Not your pope wrote: Let's start with an easy one: Paedo v. Credo Baptism.
I am glad you started with an easy one The answer is Credo is right.
What the Paedos do is take their own unbiblical interpretation of the redundant imagery of the OT, which was meant only vaguely to foreshadow the substance to come, and then force the NT into this matrix insisting that the Old and New Covenants are the same. But, read for instance Galatians and you will see that the contrast of the Old and New is such that the 2 are nothing alike. The old is beggerly, redundant, foreshadowed the New, was a works covenant etc.
The Paedos will never understand words like "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel", "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham" etc.
I came to this by comparing scripture with scripture. I came to realise that the NT presents clear light, whereas the OT was vague and misty pointing to something profoundly different to come. So in correct biblical interpretation the clear light of the NT must interpret the vagueness of the OT; the vague should never interpret the clear as the Paedos do!
Not your pope wrote: By whose authority are the Scriptural disagreements on this site resolved?
Are you suggesting that the Bible has no settled meaning?!
The Bible lays down its own rules for interpretation - one of the most important ones being that we are to compare scripture with scripture, because scripture (being the word of God) cannot contradict itself. This rule alone would help solve countless supposed difficulties.
Presumably you would not have posted as you did unless you were struggling with the issue. If that is the case, a word to the wise - rather than play the part of a sceptic, why not ask God to help you understand? And also use some of the excellent books that are readily available to study the subject of biblical interpretation.