Max wrote:
Be careful of saying that God "cannot" do such and such because of an interpretation of a verse in the Bible. Deborah

Makes your case, but as my first post points out, she's got a lot of compromising baggage- though that's the point of DeMar's article

he concludes -

"There is a warning and hope in the story of Deborah as God’s chosen judge during a time of Israel’s spiritual malaise. It’s a reminder that men need to become leaders. At the same time, we are not called on to judge the Deborahs of our time or those who support their civil work.

Why did Sarah Palin run to head the PTA? Where were the worthy men? Why did she run for mayor of Wasilla? Where were the worthy men? How did she beat an incumbent governor in the primary and go on to win the governorship? Where were the worthy men in this long election process? It seems to me that Sarah Palin got fed up and decided to do something about what was happening to her children’s school, her city, and her state. Sarah Palin’s candidacy is an indictment on the many men who have compromised their principles"

Dr. Thomas Holland
[URL=http://www.biblebelievers.com/Holland1.html]]]Review of the Book cited by Jim Lincoln[/URL]

Founder of Naral is now PRO-Life

To say that the fetus is just a chunk of tissue is to demean status of the fetus, to deny it dignity and to legitimize a violent act of destruction of another human being. In order to go about this massacre of unborn human beings, the pro-abortion people have to have some semblance of argument which they pervert into demeaning and denying the humanity of life in the womb."

In a TV ad supporting Measure 11 in South Dakota, Dr. Nathanson explains that he and his colleagues who founded NARAL created it to “export our pro-abortion mentality across the land.” He also reveals that, “One of our strategies, in order to mislead the American people, was to deny what we knew to be true, that an abortion kills an existing human being.”
www.blackchristiannews.com

“This was the greatest mistake of my life… and the greatest mistake in our nation’s history,” states Nathanson, who performed 75,000 abortions and at one point ran the nation’s largest abortion clinic.

(see Way of the Master season 3,#3)

“Governor Kaine campaigned like a Christian to get our votes. But now, instead of governing like a Christian, or respecting his own chaplains’ First Amendment rights, his administration forced the resignation of five police chaplains, simply because they prayed publicly ‘in Jesus’ name.’ These five chaplains lost their jobs for honoring Christ. They’re heroes of the faith, because they refused to deny Jesus when ordered to by the Kaine administration. If they contact me, they will be honored through my web-site: www.PrayInJesusName.org . And now Governor Kaine pretends he’s the martyr, because we question why his administration forced them to resign for praying to Jesus? He’s still got a job, they don’t. Governor Kaine isn’t the martyr, he’s the persecutor.”

By contrast, a married couple who are faithful to each other have little chance of catching a sexually transmitted disease. Millions of married couples spend their entire life free of sexual diseases. This cannot be said for the ‘gay’ lifestyle.

Remember the early 2000s, when companies such as WorldCom, Enron, Tyco and Xerox suddenly and spectacularly were revealed to have been cooking their books?

Remember the glee expressed by Washington politicians, especially Democrats, as they watched CEOs and their underlings get perp-walked out of their buildings and into federal custody?

Enron became the poster child for corporate misdeeds. In the accounting crisis of 2002, CEO Ken Lay was one of the most loathed human beings on Earth. And no, that's not an exaggeration.

Here was California Attorney General William Lockyer, one of many Democrats on the national scene who gloated at the downfall of the Enron chief and others: "I would love to personally escort Lay to an 8-by-10 cell that he could share with a tattooed dude who says, 'Hi, my name is Spike, honey.'"

DJC49 wrote:
THY SEED
Gen 16:10 in the KJV reads:
I will multiply THY SEED exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."

as the passage says, the woman is
already carrying a SON.
10And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed ... 11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; ... 12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, ...
13And she called the name of the LORD ...Thou God seest me"
God's x-ray vison saw her SEED-which she carried-
the MALE
Ishmael.

It's clear, isn't it?

One has to violently bend and twist Scripture into a pretzel in order for the "THY SEED" found in this verse to have reference to Hagar without the context that this is a relevation that she was carrying a son.

Why would the LORD state directly to Hagar that "I will multiply THY SEED" if He wasn't directly referring to Ishmael.v11,12

Scholium wrote:
DJC49...
"Poindexter" - Dictionary definition is quote; "a person who is intelligent but socially inept; a nerd"
Well, Well, DJC49, what a VERY Christian way to treat someone whose crime is to debate from a different perspective from you.
Your committment to your definition of "seed" is the problem here. You have decided that God CANNOT create a "seed" (specifically one half of a seed namely the egg), without the help of the sinner donor. You are the one who is demoting the Lord from Sovereign and Creator. Not me!

& DJC49 scoffs at Morris & the ICR staff's Biblical expertise
10/3/08 11:44 AM
by claiming Gen 16:10 which reads:
"And the angel of the LORD said unto HER, I will multiply THY SEED exceedingly,"is saying the SEED applies to Hagar!
the SEED is her son!
So much for DJC49's Biblical expertise!

DJC49 wrote:
Gen 3:15;16:10

Messiah would be the
"seed of a woman"
come to destroy the work of the Devil.
The "new thing" of Jer.31:22 is what Luke 1:35 fulfills-
The seed was "of' Mary -"born of"

The error is missing the import of the word SEED (male) which a woman does not have.

Gen 16:10, the angel of the LORD says her SEED is MALE-
a son Ishmael, "wild man" read 10-12

DJC49 wrote:
8/25/08 8:46 PM DJC49
Chronological Bible debate
"We have probably +95% of the original in our Bible versions.The rest is debatable" 9/8/08 9:50 AM

There is a pattern to my type of responses to your ilk.

When Locke was linking a goofy picture to support your side against those he referenced,
I reciprocated...I note you did not rebuke him then,
or now,for HIS little pics.

Just now, when you used the insulting, juvenile term against Scholium,I noted the kid level of your communication.

You recently linked to a paper calling Paisley, Cairns, Waite, the Bob Jones(es), heretics and antichrists,
and you only backed off at the wording
antichrist, after a snarky little
note to me to read it and maybe I'd learn something.

DJC49 wrote:
What strikes me funny about all these experts is how they claim to have the 'scientific proof' and rational explanations about the material mechanisms that are behind the GREAT MYSTERY of the Incarnation and the lesser mystery of the imputation of sin into Adam and his progeny. Products all of an unbelieving age; an age that wants scientific "proof" to EVERY mystery there is.

And Christianaswers.net and
Answers In Genesis etc.
agree with Henry M. Morris'
"Biblical usage always speaks only of the seed of men"

"Num 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed."
The man provides the seed, then it is conceived in the woman.
No man, no seed.
Lev.15:16-18, 32,22:4
Lev. 18:20, 19:20,Num.5:13 all derive the English from "to lie a lying of seed" (which is why the Authorised Bible is better than a stilted 'literal')

Mike wrote:
in-vitro surrogate pregnancy

Sound miraculous? Of course. But these days, who would deny that miracles occur? And such a 'small' one for the God who created the entire universe! "

Scholium wrote:
God created His body, but required an existing egg?.. just ain't kosher, as they say.

[URL=http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html]]]Seed details-Paul S. Taylor[/URL]
traces SEED as finalized in Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1 & Luke 3:23-38.

Mike wrote:
Jesus was tempted in every way as we are. What did satan appeal to in his temptation? The flesh. He knew quite well God the divine could not be tempted. He also knew Jesus the man could. Else why bother?

the lust of the flesh,
the lust of the eyes
and the pride of life,

all 3 of which are covered in the
3 offers of Satan.

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

DJC49 wrote:
I denounce what they STATED

"something created by the Holy Ghost in the womb BUT NOT OF THE SUBSTANCE of the virgin Mary ... that would NOT BE HUMANITY AT ALL! He [Christ] is "bone of our bone" and "flesh of our flesh." His is a true humanity."

It is you who add the derogatory,
"heavenly' strawman, NOT
what they stated.

[URL=http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/dna-of-jesus.html]]]The DNA of Jesus Christ[/URL]

DJC49 wrote:
I owe an apology to ENGINEER for accusing him of not having read his own hyperlinked-to article. I must have missed that sentence. So I was WRONG in my assertion

Js 3:2

I think a large part of the emphasis comes down to WHEN did the Lord Jesus Christ begin His status as 2nd Adam?

[URL=http://www.icr.org/article/76/]]]the 2nd Adam [/URL]
To say Christ only became 2nd Adam at the resurrection is derivative of the logic that led to the modern false 'bibles' that separated Jesus from Christ-
[URL=http://www.truthquest.free-online.co.uk/jm_tds02.htm]]]What Lies Behind This Separation? Adoptionism[/URL]

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

and re:

thinking
"the sinfulness of a woman passed to her offspring"