Mike wrote:
Acts 13:21-23
"God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:"

all links below, and also the Owen quote, that I can't find

point out that the Lord Jesus Christ was of the line of David thru Mary
physically nurtured by Mary and
(being firstborn of her).
Ex.13:12,13:15,34:19,
Num 3:12,13;18:15
so, by promise, the LORD's

"The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man" Jer31:22.

Jesus Christ, "a new" "flesh & blood" "thing" is connected by birth, law, tribe(Judah), nation, religion, language,etc. to Israel&Adam.

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/The.Holy.Bible/Reasons7_Atoning_Blood.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html

http://www.icr.org/article/76/

http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/dna-of-jesus.html

http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/prophecy/VirginBirth/Jerem.html

http://www.icr.org/article/375/

http://www.truthquest.free-online.co.uk/jm_tds02.htm

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/73/

[URL=http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3358067/detail.html]]]Hamtramck Mosque Begins Call To Prayer Broadcasts[/URL]

After a ceremony at the Al-Islah Islamic Center -- attended by the city's mayor, members of City Council and a priest from nearby St. Stanislav Catholic Church -- the key to the amplifier was issued and Hamtramck's first call to prayer was chanted into a microphone and broadcast over loud speakers atop the mosque building.

But not everyone in the community was pleased by the unanimous decision by City Council in April to approve an amendment to Hamtramck's noise ordinance and allow the prayer broadcasts.

"I wouldn't want that piped in my window. I'd like to be able to go to sleep," said Jerry Radziszewski, a Hamtramck resident. "We have no idea what's being said or sung or anything. We have no idea. To us, it's just noise. That's it. It's racket."

The mosque is located across the street from St. Ladislaus Catholic Church. The city's former mayor, Gary Zych, said that on some days, the church bells may sound off at the same time as the mosque's call to prayer. He added, "That's what you call harmony."

hidemi williges wrote:
You might consider reading "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop. He has an excellent history of symbols.

hidemi williges wrote:
This seems to me, to be the way new testament Churches started. The amount of Christian literature and Bibles being smuggled into China is amazing considering how strict the Chinese government is.

It seems to be an ongoing miracle, to see just how well the church survives in the midst of persectuion... and the common attitude among many in the U.S. that
'house churches'
are somehow 'cultic' or 'wrong' is hard to line up with what our brethren in the rest of world have to do to survive.

Pg 24b
"He "did no sin," He "knew no sin," and "in Him is no sin" 1Pe2:22,2
Cor5:21;1Jn3:5.
...It was absolutely essential, therefore, that His human body be free of an inherited sin-nature, and even from mental or physical defect resulting from inherited mutations. Biologically and genetically, there was no way this could be assured except by a miraculous conception, accomplished in such a way that none of the sinful and defective attribute of either parent could be transmitted to Him.
The question is-how could this be done? All who believe in the virgin birth recognize that a miracle was required- but
page 25
what kind of miracle? Could it be merely a providential statistical juggling of Mary's genes so that those which carried the "sin-factor", as well as specific physical and mental defective mutations were somehow screened out? Hardly, because all of Mary's genes (no less than those of
Joseph) would have been carriers of sin. There is neither biological nor theological basis for thinking that sin affects only certain genes and chromosomes and not others.

Me wrote:
Stay home! Save the gas!

DJC49 wrote:
"...who espouse that Jesus Christ had absolutely NO CONNECTION to the entire race of men descended from and including Adam.

You just got done saying one should read the links before citing them.

Where do these say 'absolutely no connection' to anything other than the sin nature, which is bypassed by a new creation?
"The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man" Jer31:22.

Jesus Christ, "a new" "flesh & blood" "thing" is connected by birth, law, tribe(Judah), nation, religion, language,etc. to Israel&Adam.

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/The.Holy.Bible/Reasons7_Atoning_Blood.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/mary-motherofjesus.html

http://www.icr.org/article/76/

http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/dna-of-jesus.html

http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/prophecy/VirginBirth/Jerem.html

http://www.icr.org/article/375/

http://www.truthquest.free-online.co.uk/jm_tds02.htm

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/73/

Mike wrote:
This verse would seem to provide a formula of sorts: body+spirit=soul.

1 Thessalonians 5:23. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews
4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

these 3 set a good foundation for the teaching of a tripartite nature of man.

God made the atom (electron, neutron, proton)& created a world (land, sea, air),within a universe(matter, time and space). He created time(past, present,future)and space w/3 dimensions(length, width,height). He created matter with its normal 3 states (solid, liquid, gas), etc.
from Henry M. Morris

And God has his signature on His word
66(3x22) Books in the BIBLE [39(3x13) in the O.T.-27(3x9) in the N.T.

"

[URL=http://www.biblebelievers.com/knox/knox2.html]]]The World's Fastest Bible Memory Plan[/URL]

Matthew 17:21
Matthew 18:11
Matthew 23:14
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44
Mark 9:46 Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Luke 17:36
Luke 23:17
John 5:4
Acts 8:37 Acts 15:34
Acts 24:7
Acts 28:29
Romans 16:24
1 John 5:7
the fastest memory plan there is: and you can do even MORE verses with the TNIV, now that it has cut the end of Mark from the actual bible, and has is set off
(as apocryphal)
in a tiny little font
after the 'real' Mark.
12 more verses!
that is 29 verses from the TNIV right
" " --- there.
Wow!

DJC49 wrote:
the LORD ... HATH
It's NOT something to be created in the future

God uses both future, present and past tense to predict the Christ.
Ps. 2;7 "the LORD hath said" - Mt.3:16,17;Lk 1:35

Ps.22:1: Why hast thou-Mt.27:46
Ps.22:16 "they pierced my hands and feet" 18, they part my garments
Jn 19:23,24

Ps.68:18 "Thou hast ascended" Acts 1:9,Col 2:13-Ep 4:7-12

Ps.69:9 "zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" Jn.2:13-17
Is.50:6 "I gave my back...I hid not my face from shame and spitting."Jn 19:1
Is 52:14 "his visage was so marred",Is.53:3"we hid as it were " 4,5
"he hath borne'"carried' "was wounded"
was bruised" v6 "hath laid on him"
v7 "was oppressed" v 8 "was taken" "was cut off"v9"he made his grave"v10,11 "it pleased the LORD"
DJC49, having just quoted this passage, should have known God uses past tense in prophecy.

Hos. 11:1 "called my Son" Mt 2:13-15

fuzzy logic wrote:
Hypocrisy in the least...don't you think?

The left seems rational to a leftist.

a `Gore' indulgence..

Genteel Blogs Offer 'Civility Offsets' to Vitriolic Bloggers
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace ·
(2007-04-09) — A draft proposal circulating in the so-called blogosphere would allow family-friendly blogs to sell “civility offsets” to vitriolic bloggers who prefer to pay for “nastiness indulgences” rather than to tame their bitter tirades.

Advocates say that unlike a proposed “blogger code of conduct,” the new civility offsets will not slash the number of blatant death threats or reduce comparisons between President George Bush and the common chimpanzee, but they may reduce the momentary twinges of guilt experienced by some vicious, vindictive and vitriolic bloggers."

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2566

also,a recent example of his thinking is[URL=http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin466.htm]]]Can two walk together without Agreement?[/URL]
about the McCAIN/Palin ticket.

and these are pretty good
cartoon book overviews of RCC
problems
[URL=http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp]]]Why is Mary Crying???[/URL]

[URL=http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp]]]The Death Cookie[/URL]

and in the light of above Muslim pictures, there is also

[URL=http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0029/0029_01.asp]]]The Deceived (the origin of Islam's Moon god)[/URL]

[URL=http://blackgenocide.org/home.html]]]Between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 Blacks were lynched in the U.S. That number is surpassed in less than 3 days by abortion.[/URL]

[URL=http://www.lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Pro-life_Product/Enlarge.cfml?ID=139]]]abortion statistics that highlight the genocide that is being waged on the Black community by Planned Parenthood and legalized abortion. It also exposes the racist ideas of Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, who admitted in her own autobiography that she was once the featured speaker at a KKK meeting. This brochure features quotes and abortion statistics that will open your eyes[/URL]

rogerant wrote:
inspired version in France?
Germany ?Spain, etc.

I use the
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=32207105113]]]Accurate Spanish Bible-the Revised Reina Valera
[/URL]
My Spanish Bible was obtained from a
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns/fbns270.html]]]Precious Seed Bible ministry[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/spanishbible.htm]]]a Spanish Bible with a TR History[/URL]

[URL=http://www.scionofzion.com/lineagekjv.htm]]]Lineage of the King James Bible[/URL] includes
[URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/frenchbible.htm]]]The French Bible[/URL] Olivetan translation was a Textus Receptus-based Bible and was good, and [URL=http://www.kjv-asia.com/bible_believing_ministries_john_hinton.htm]]]John Hinton[/URL] PhD is conforming it to newer vocabulary. My polyglot bible is corrected in the French to match the TR.

Pikestaff wrote:
NIV

[URL=http://jcsm.org/1on1/KJVOnlyismDebate.htm]]]Jason Gastrich debates Will Kinney on versions[/URL]

85% of students at America's largest Evangelical Seminary don't believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

74% of the Clergy in America no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled...Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..." 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

[URL=http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/KJBDebate.html]]]The "Historic, Orthodox Position" regarding the inspiration and preservation of the Holy Bible. [/URL]

The link above to Confessions of Faith regarding the inspired word of God- supports the Authorised Bible believer's view, that is, that we presently possess an inspired and inerrant Bible.

"There is no doubt that the judgeship of Deborah is out of the ordinary, but the period of the judges is not a normal period in Israel’s history. The men are weak, as Barak’s response indicates (4:8), and the people were generally unrighteous with every man doing “what was right in his own eyes” (17:6). We see what this type of society produces if the men don’t assume their proper leadership roles. The people will choose a king like all the nations (1 Sam. 8), but not before adversely affecting the family and church.

There is a warning and hope in the story of Deborah as God’s chosen judge during a time of Israel’s spiritual malaise.It’s a reminder that men need to become leaders.At the same time, we are not called on to judge Deborahs of our time or those who support their civil work.

Why did she run for mayor of Wasilla? Where were the worthy men?How did she beat an incumbent governor in the primary and go on to win the governorship?Where were the worthy men ?It seems to me that Sarah Palin got fed up and decided to do something about what was happening.