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FRONT PAGE  |  3/4/2021
MONDAY, JAN 4, 2021  |  25 comments
Electric car driver discovers fast charge costs more than gas
Fast chargers will bring the battery only to an 80% total charge due to the limitations of lithium batteries. Charging above 80% will damage the battery. Since I arrived at the charging station with ten percent capacity remaining, I received an additional 70% charge, which gave me about 190 miles total range. It required one hour and ten minutes. The cost was $21.07, or 43 cents per kW. The cost would be about 34 cents per kW if I joined Electrify America for four dollars per month. Filling my gasoline vehicle for the same range would cost less – about $13. Charging an EV at a fast charger costs more per mile of range than filling up a gasoline-powered vehicle.

The other drawback to EVs is their higher cost. The MSRP of the 2021 Hyundai Kona Ultimate I have been charging is $46,985. The same model powered by gasoline has an MSRP of $31,370, or over $15,000 less. I have read that one reason for the ...


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News Item1/7/2021 1:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
No name wrote:
Neil from Tucson writes:
What name wrote: Time to get your battery serviced.
No, it isn't: last dealer visit revealed nothing wrong with it, nor has it behaved differently since new. And as I said before, our Prius shuts off EV well below 40mph (per the Owner's Manual), so your experience is clearly irrelevant to us.
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News Item1/7/2021 1:40 AM
No name | No nation  Find all comments by No name
Neil from Tucson writes:

What name wrote: Time to get your battery serviced. We drive around the city on electric all the time in a Prius C and save a lot of $

Different model, the heavier hatchback, it's been like that since new. Most of the time, we drive at speeds (more than ~12mph) that EV Mode won't tolerate, so I don't know what its max EV range would be.

I did a spreadsheet study before deciding to buy. At the time, Toyota offered a discount which reduced the price premium vs. a Corolla.

Prius C can do over 40 Mph on battery on the flat.

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News Item1/5/2021 8:45 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
What name wrote:
Time to get your battery serviced. We drive around the city on electric all the time in a Prius C and save a lot of $
Different model, the heavier hatchback, it's been like that since new. Most of the time, we drive at speeds (more than ~12mph) that EV Mode won't tolerate, so I don't know what its max EV range would be.

I did a spreadsheet study before deciding to buy. At the time, Toyota offered a discount which reduced the price premium vs. a Corolla.

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News Item1/5/2021 6:40 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Folks, this is the plan of the global elites of the Great Reset, WEF, and UN have for us. Their plan is to make travel horrendously expensive. Electric cars for the elite, private jets,(no alternative at present though hydrogen is being worked on, also for the elites only), who live in their huge mansions with massive guarded grounds. Everyone else now digitally marked, vaccinated, altered DNA, to be forced to give up their small business and house with garden, herded into huge public housing complexes in cities, eating genetically modified food, because of lockdowns and social distancing laws, debts cleared and Universal Basic Income at a very basic level, only with access to officially approved social media and tv, with continuous propaganda and low level entertainment to “keep them happy and in line”, using public transport for when they may be allowed to go out in local areas. This is all in the WEF and UN websites. “Own nothing and be happy.” A Babel world without God, but God will have them in derision.
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News Item1/5/2021 4:42 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Dr Tim...

Yes, an hour to charge an EV is considered "super charging". On a road trip, after driving 400 miles, it might not be so bad to relax for an hour. If that doesn't sound like your cup of tea, then a hybrid or plug-in hybrid would be a better option. If you are looking to save on gas and travel far. EVs are still overpriced, but some hybrids have become more reasonable.

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News Item1/4/2021 10:24 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
What name wrote:
Neil from Tucson "FYI, hybrids like the basic Prius have very limited EV capability, enough for parking; plugin hybrids like the more costly Prius Prime are what you're talking about."
Time to get your battery serviced. We drive around the city on electric all the time in a Prius C and save a lot of $
If you paid $10-15 thousand extra dollars for your electric car, it is going to take awhile before you "save" money
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News Item1/4/2021 9:30 PM
What name | Why do you care  Find all comments by What name
Neil from Tucson "FYI, hybrids like the basic Prius have very limited EV capability, enough for parking; plugin hybrids like the more costly Prius Prime are what you're talking about."

Time to get your battery serviced. We drive around the city on electric all the time in a Prius C and save a lot of $

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News Item1/4/2021 7:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Many politicians are all for the electric. Same looney crowd that wants to save the planet from pickup trucks, and wants you to stay home to stay “safe” doesn’t want you to go very far when you do get to go out.
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News Item1/4/2021 7:48 PM
Sunnyday | northeast  Find all comments by Sunnyday
1% of the cars in my state are electric. But my "progressive and forward thinking" governor said that people won't be using gasoline for much longer. He raised the gas tax and is trying to install tolls to make up for this lack of gasoline cars. All these "do gooders" conveniently turn a blind eye to the health risks people in third world countries are encountering so they can drive around in their Teslas and Prius cars.
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News Item1/4/2021 6:27 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Its all powered by electricity made from coal. Gas powered cars are actually miore environmentally friendly More liberal idiocy
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News Item1/4/2021 4:54 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
32 mi? That would barely get you to the nearest Walmart where I live! 😧
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News Item1/4/2021 1:25 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Wouldn’t Flintstone feet work just as well in extending gas mileage?
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News Item1/4/2021 12:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, or the plugin Chrysler Pacifica minivan. Now it only has 32 mi of electric running power. But most people as the Forbes article points out don't do over 40 mi a day, so it would be running on electric power all the time, it's batteries at least give it a better overall gas mileage even if you do run three or four hundred miles a day.

https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2020-chrysler-pacifica-hybrid

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News Item1/4/2021 12:11 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I think I would still prefer hybrid. when we run out of battery power with gasoline engine oil kick[ed] in!
FYI, hybrids like the basic Prius have very limited EV capability, enough for parking; plugin hybrids like the more costly Prius Prime are what you're talking about.
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News Item1/4/2021 11:13 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I think I would still prefer hybrid. when we run out of battery power with gasoline engine oil kick in!

"The Future Of EV Charging May Be At 50KW, Not The ‘Gasoline Thinking’ of 250KW"

https://tinyurl.com/y95egpla

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News Item1/4/2021 10:47 AM
Florian Geyer | Fort worth  Find all comments by Florian Geyer
Wanna know something ironic? You may be willing to pay the higher prices to "save the earth", but the electricity used to charge the lithium batteries was likely to be generated by burning fossil fuels like coal and natural gas.

Also, the materials needed for those lithium batteries is extracted through strip mining in very conflicted parts of the world.

So while it might make rich white urban liberals feel like they're helping the earth and paying more for the sacrifice, they're actually paying more to burn fossil fuels.

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News Item1/4/2021 10:42 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Florian Geyer wrote:
Unless they can make the batteries able to be quickly swapped out, I dont see them becoming widely adopted. Perhaps if they're easily swapped, you could exchange them at battery stations the way people exchange propane tanks. Stop there with a low battery, the crew will swap it out with a charged one, and you can be on your way.
And when you go swap it, remember to bring a credit card with a high limit.
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News Item1/4/2021 10:41 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
That's a great point, Neil, about our civilization collapsing into Third World nation status, and my wife speaks of this often. EVs seem to have a place in that collapse. They are hyperexpensive and seem well suited to the suburban lifestyle of shorter driving distances. But given longer distances, the need for stable and regularly distanced electrical supply, and then the environment issue of batteries that no longer work, it could be a means of pushing us back toward the 1890s. Either one walks or uses a personal animal powered system (i.e. Doc Tim's goat cart) or one uses public transport.
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News Item1/4/2021 10:37 AM
Florian Geyer | Fort worth  Find all comments by Florian Geyer
Unless they can make the batteries able to be quickly swapped out, I dont see them becoming widely adopted. Perhaps if they're easily swapped, you could exchange them at battery stations the way people exchange propane tanks. Stop there with a low battery, the crew will swap it out with a charged one, and you can be on your way.
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News Item1/4/2021 9:45 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
It takes under 10min to refuel a petroleum-powered vehicle. And they still have superior range, even more if one carries extra fuel in Jerry Cans or the like. These plus cheap gas are reasons why EVs will be a niche product for the foreseeable future, unless fool politicians force the issue.

Plugin hybrids are a good compromise, though more costly than regular hybrids.

And if you live in California, don't assume you'll have reliable electric power, as that state's utilities seem to be devolving to Mexico's quality of service. Archeologists wonder why civilizations collapse. Well, we're living it.

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