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FRONT PAGE  |  3/2/2021
WEDNESDAY, DEC 30, 2020  |  17 comments  |  2 commentaries
Federal appeals court rules against New York COVID restrictions on religious gatherings
The federal Appeals Court for the 2nd Circuit has ruled in favor of religious groups, blocking the state of New York's restrictions on gatherings that were enacted to stop the spread of COVID-19.

The federal court held in a unanimous 3-0 decision that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, two synagogues, and Agudath Israel, an Orthodox Jewish group, had their free exercise rights violated because of Governor Andrew Cuomo's attendance caps that were issued in early October. Cuomo's policy permitted to the lesser of 10 people or 25% capacity in zones where COVID-19 risk was the highest and 25 people or 33% capacity in the less risky zones.

The ruling ordered that the caps had to be enjoined while the case is pending, which means that the state cannot enforce such caps against any house of worship. The appellate court remanded Agudath Israel's case to the district court in Brooklyn, ordering ...


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News Item1/1/2021 11:54 AM
Born again  Find all comments by Born again
Thanks for that Ladybug,answers some questions about the flu's vanishing act. In the mean time prospering China celebrates new year together.. no dodgy vaccine needed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-wuhan-celebrates-new-year-in-style-covid-19-outbreak-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
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News Item12/31/2020 6:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Adriel wrote:
Hey Mike;
Question for you.
You appear to be totally convinced about the annual flu epidemic and its mortality rates.
But when it comes to coronavirus you seem to think that it is a figment of the political imaginations?
Why is it you are convinced of non-existence or less-existence of corona?
Nothing I have said says that. Of course it’s real. Coronaviruses have been around forever. One of them can give you Covid-19. Others can give you the common cold. The difference between this “novel” version and influenza is in the handling of them. It should be plain enough. When churches, small businesses, beaches and gyms are closed, but abortion clinics, liquor stores, casinos, and big box stores are open, then yes it is done for political, not medical reasons.
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News Item12/31/2020 5:36 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/great-2020-seasonal-fluinfluenza-disappearing-act?fbclid=IwAR1_Si4GZuXZRfHnR4mZzhZ2UTe2PMOw5fycOw-nyQnfdOL8Cmj5MXGKNAc
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News Item12/31/2020 4:58 PM
Born again  Find all comments by Born again
Where did the flu go? Maybe crafty Covid swallowed it up. Reports are coming out that flu is historically low this year with some countries reporting zero cases so far. Usually flu vaccines are offered to the elderly and those with underlying health conditions because of higher fatality risks, the point being there was never a call made to shut down a country and put the entire population under house arrest because of flu. The ends justify the means they say but is it worth giving up essential liberty for temporary safety? If you answer yes then according to Benjamin Franklin you don't deserve liberty or safety.
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News Item12/31/2020 1:57 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Mike wrote:
From CDC records, US only:
2017-2018 flu season
45,000,000 cases
900,000 hospitalizations
80,000 deaths
no panic, no lockdown, .....
......
As Scrooge would say, Humbug.
Hey Mike;
Question for you.
You appear to be totally convinced about the annual flu epidemic and its mortality rates.

But when it comes to coronavirus you seem to think that it is a figment of the political imaginations?

Why is it you are convinced of non-existence or less-existence of corona?

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News Item12/31/2020 11:31 AM
Born again  Find all comments by Born again
True Mike, they have to keep the lie going to bring the change that's taking place so would mean those dying of actual Covid would be even less than .0022%. I'd like to know the world fatality rate because of China style covid restrictions for suicide, drug overdose, elderly people giving up will to live/neglect, undiagnosed illnesses, famine:Madagascar are having to mix white clay with tamarind for food because of drought plus covid travel restrictions. Livelihoods lost, late cancer screenings, mental health deterioration.. what is the long-term mortality rate going to be for these? There are GP's all over the world with same worry that they not seeing patients for necessary lifesaving treatments/diagnosis because of fear/travel and transport restrictions in rural areas. Is anybody recording these things?
It's a fallen world and people die of natural causes but when there are man made causes it becomes more concerning and evil.
Yes B. McCausland, sadly part of that salt is being truthful and the savour is lost when pastors even "reformed" convince their flock that all is justified with the church restrictions/closures and all better put on the mask and stay home/ separate from one another so can be safe. Luke18:8..Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find fait
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News Item12/31/2020 8:56 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Thank you, Mike and Born again.

The church has lost its 'salt' and it is then good for nothing. This is why even governments clasify it as a none essential entity. All the charity work, (the good works we have been created in Christ Jesus to bear fruit with), education and social health support has been stripped from the hands of the church and placed in the hands of socialistic protocols of the state who can even dictate when and how the church can act, so the church is relagated to warm up high-maintenance complexs, and hollow, empty shell structures for three hours a week, cater for their own petty projects, and run their little amusing shows for Christmas, and similar occasions.

[Mat 5:13 KJV]

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

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News Item12/31/2020 8:19 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
From CDC records, US only:

2017-2018 flu season

45,000,000 cases
900,000 hospitalizations
80,000 deaths

no panic, no lockdown, no "social distancing," no overwhelmed medical systems, no politically motivated fear mongering. Somehow we survived.

Questions:
Of Covid deaths, how many due to Covid, and how many are Covid-related? (I'm sure there are others besides myself who know of incidents where totally non Covid connected deaths were officially labeled Covid)

Why are this seasons cases and deaths being added to last seasons? That isn't done with other viruses. They start over in the fall. Imagine what the numbers would be if every flu case was added to previous numbers.

Why do we never hear the recovery numbers?

The case count increases daily. Why are the number of new cases being added to cases that have recovered? Is anyone here who has had the flu in the past still considered a flu case today? Rhetorical questions. The only way to make the numbers more scary is to keep adding them to previous numbers, while ignoring the vast majority who recover, and are no longer rightly considered cases.

As Scrooge would say, Humbug.

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News Item12/31/2020 7:29 AM
Born again  Find all comments by Born again
Ariel  'Quote::-
“COVID-19: There have been approximately 1,792,786 deaths reported worldwide.'

Lets work that out...the World population is around 7.8 billion and the fatality rate would then be 0.022%.
Doesn't make sense , except that a Godless cultural revolution is taking place leading up to the Fascist totalitarian beast system described in Revelation 13.
With the above calculation and pastors still calling this a pandemic and not warning their flock /making a stand are believing a lie.

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News Item12/31/2020 3:57 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Pre- Recent revelations of vaccine availability!

Quote::-
“COVID-19: There have been approximately 1,792,786 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 338,656 people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and December 30, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.“
(hopkinsmedicine.org)

Chrisgp;
The initial response by science and politics was panic. Hence reason for political “solutions” of lockdowns etc. This solution continues since the alternative would be seen as giving up and doing nothing.
Politics or government is trying to be seen as trying to help solve the problem and help the people. Man is an argumentative animal with differing sides to all debates. The pandemic will never be solved by politics, of course. But politicians must get involved in the only way they know how.

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News Item12/31/2020 3:05 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
This court action may have been taken out by Roman Catholics and Orthodox Jews, but this order means that Bible believing evangelical churches can meet as well. I do take the point, however, that perhaps, the truly biblical evangelical churches should have stood against this tyrant (Cuomo) and others like him by worshipping, illegally if necessary from day one. This COVID 19, though a real virus, that affects seriously a tiny number of people, has been a right scam. It is like flu, dangerous for a few, and infectious, but how have we dealt with the flu, for the past few decades. Ruining our economy? Compulsory mask wearing? Shutdowns? Lockdowns? Social distancing? Closing treatment for non-flu conditions? Draconian restrictions? Fines? Police? Quarantines? No, we have not.
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News Item12/30/2020 9:40 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
This video features nurses giving testimony and speaking out against the narrative - https://www.facebook.com/UrbanGlobalHealthAlliance/videos/735749457057659
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News Item12/30/2020 5:51 PM
Florian Geyer | Fort worth  Find all comments by Florian Geyer
It's not the domain of robed plutocrats to decide how God's elect worship.
Frankly,I almost wish Christians would stop suing and just ignore the little pharoahs and caesars. It should be made very clear to them that we dont care what they say; our worship is not their domain and they have no jurisdiction over it.
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News Item12/30/2020 5:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Adriel wrote:
Mike;
Or perhaps even bigger picture, as perceived by the Christian.
God’s picture?
So would it be better for God’s people meeting if the court had decided otherwise?
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News Item12/30/2020 5:41 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Mike wrote:
Would it be better for God’s people freely meeting if the court had decided otherwise? Big picture time, Adriel
Mike;
Or perhaps even bigger picture, as perceived by the Christian.
God’s picture?
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News Item12/30/2020 5:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Adriel wrote:
“”The federal court held in a unanimous 3-0 decision that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, two synagogues, and Agudath Israel, an Orthodox Jewish group, had their free exercise rights violated “”
Oh goody the papists, and Jewish synagogues are allowed to continue operations ????
Their permission from the reprobate secular courts means that ‘altar’. Worship can be maintained.
Sadly these religious organisations don’t know that according to GOD and His Son Jesus, the last altar was the cross used 2000 years ago.
But that’s alright with this fallen world.
Their permission is provided.
Would it be better for God’s people freely meeting if the court had decided otherwise? Big picture time, Adriel
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News Item12/30/2020 5:12 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
“”The federal court held in a unanimous 3-0 decision that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, two synagogues, and Agudath Israel, an Orthodox Jewish group, had their free exercise rights violated “”

Oh goody the papists, and Jewish synagogues are allowed to continue operations ????

Their permission from the reprobate secular courts means that ‘altar’. Worship can be maintained.

Sadly these religious organisations don’t know that according to GOD and His Son Jesus, the last altar was the cross used 2000 years ago.

But that’s alright with this fallen world.
Their permission is provided.

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