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FRONT PAGE  |  2/27/2021
THURSDAY, DEC 24, 2020  |  16 comments
Government Schools Are Killing the American Church
Over the last few generations, Christianity has declined at a massive rate in America, with millennials becoming the first generation in American history with self-proclaimed Christians in the minority. Now, the culprit is becoming clear to everyone: Government. In particular, anti-Christian, anti-God indoctrination masquerading as “public education” has been the key driver of those trends.

While it is a widely held misconception that government schools became more secular as the culture did, the reality is that the “public education” system was always intended to turn Americans against God. Indeed, it was created for that purpose. And it has been phenomenally successful in pursuing that goal, with most Christian children abandoning the faith after more than a decade in a public “school.”

According to a massive report headlined “Promise and Peril: The History of American Religiosity and Its ...


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News Item12/28/2020 6:00 AM
Michael Hranek | outside the clinic  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Adriel wrote:
Michael;
1. Trouble is Michael that many nominal Christians in the visible church don't allow God to be sovereign and omnipotent.
They try to take over and write their own book of religion. EG:: the Arminians, JW's and the RCC et al.
Dear Adriel
But isn't that what your beloved John Calvin did with his Institues? Remember the Bible is Scripture sovereignly written by holy men of God moved by the Holy Spirit of God and no matter how religious and sophisticated Calvin's writting are the ain't Scripture are they

Again may I suggest you give serious heed to what the Spirit moved men to write, like James 2:18 in context of course

And also
Matthew 23

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News Item12/27/2020 5:36 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
The problem with Reformed theology is they rail against one brand of religion, then exalt another brand of their own, under the guise of 'Calvinism'. They attach themselves to a mortal man, but don't see it. They proceed to attempt to bind others under the bondage of the law, and justify it by calling it 'Calvinism'. Christ calls His sheep to follow HIM, not John Calvin, not Jacobus Arminius. The sheep hear, they follow the Master. They rest in Him, looking to His work, His perfect obedience, His propitiation/satisfactory work which the Father has fully accepted, as the only means of their justification and sanctification. The righteousness of God is what we must be clothed in to enter His kingdom, that doesn't come through free will, nor does it come through a checklist, conditions, law keeping, baby dunking, etc. It comes through Christ's perfect work, and God's saving grace. Imputation is sorely misunderstood. Calvin preached much error, including universalism, as is verified in his commentary on John 3:16...Many Reformed 'idols' also held to an Arminian/universal view, like J.C.Ryle, even Spurgeon exalted John Wesley, a flaming Arminian, as 'worthy' to be numbered among the 12...
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News Item12/27/2020 4:03 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Michael Hranek wrote:
1. In the Bible we find God Sovereign and Almighty, not what some professing themselves to be Calvinists do with His Sovereignty and Omnipotence.

2. It is more than safe to say, Parents ought to educate themselves in what the Bible actually says

Michael;
1. Trouble is Michael that many nominal Christians in the visible church don't allow God to be sovereign and omnipotent.
They try to take over and write their own book of religion. EG:: the Arminians, JW's and the RCC et al.

2. It is always best to get the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth and doctrines of Scripture. That way it is done by a real expert.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

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News Item12/26/2020 4:14 PM
Michael Hranek | from outside the Clinic  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Adriel wrote:
In Calvinism we find God to be sovereign and omnipotent.
Adriel
A bit of correction

In the Bible we find God Sovereign and Almighty, not what some professing themselves to be Calvinists do with His Sovereignty and Omnipotence.

It is more than safe to say, Parents ought to educate themselves in what the Bible actually says [not what some professing to know what it teaches] and teach their own children that, the Word of God, and any other young people they might as well

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News Item12/26/2020 12:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The Quiet Christian wrote:
...I'm not sure that the study of the natural world isn't without merit, especially since it ought to reveal something of the Lord in His creativity, etc.
Skepticism about science doesn't imply we shouldn't study and attempt to devise models of how nature works so we can fulfill our duty of dominion. It is only a problem if we arrogantly claim such models to be true, rather than admitting humbly that the only certainty we have is what God verbally reveals; all else is tentative and subject to error.

Example: there are several ways to model the Earth - flat, spherical, ellipsoid, and WGS-84 (used for GPS). None of these are true, for the Earth's shape cannot be reduced to any mathematical formulation or tabulation, but each has its uses, esp. in navigation. Even flat Earth, with its simple mathematics, is fine if you're a hurler or artilleryman. It depends on how much error is tolerable.

Same goes for the atmosphere: I have seen 3 different standard models for it. Which is best? It depends on what you're using it for.

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News Item12/25/2020 11:35 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
That's what I'm saying, Brother Wayfarer. It's the analysis.

Hope you and your wife had a nice Christmas. Praying for you.

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News Item12/25/2020 11:03 PM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
The WHO trusted China that Covid was transmitted human to human, then scolded the sceptical that we needed to trust the science-Science says trust cloth masks that will shield people from a virus that measures (1 microns.). Please, and 81 million people voted to put Biden in office so Kamela Harris can be president in 18 months. Meh!
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News Item12/25/2020 10:39 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Brother Neil, you always make excellent and well founded points. I'm not as hard over against science per se, just shoddy analysis of observed data. But that's also my background and, therefore, bias.

I'm not sure that the study of the natural world isn't without merit, especially since it ought to reveal something of the Lord in His creativity, etc. I am sure that Enlightenment thinking ruined good thought processes.

The problem addressed in the news item is akin to our discussion. Science doesn't offer as many answers as we think and too often just builds confusion. In the care of the publically educated child, the teaching is solidly secular humanistic and evolutionary. Ham has a point that countering that onslaught is difficult, which is well known. And the desire to influence our children in such a way is very strong.

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News Item12/25/2020 3:39 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Ken Ham has been pointing this out for years.
True, yet AiG's Creationism is undermined by its Empirical epistemology borrowed from Catholicism. They waste time trying to prove "Millions of Years" is false using the same fallacious procedure as the Darwinists. This is why I stopped supporting them; King Saul found out the hard way that God won't bless bad methods for a good cause.

Instead of building Ark replicas, they can simply prove that science, being irrational, never yields truth, not about the present or the past. If this sounds crazy, they can remind degreed fools like Richard Dawkins that Bertrand Russell admitted as much. Moreover, the Bible tells us so, e.g. Job. 38.

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News Item12/25/2020 12:30 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Ken Ham has been pointing this out for years. When education opposes Biblical theology & the school has our children for 180 days or more each year, that's a lot of influence. Coupled with a lack of Biblical knowledge from Dad and Mom at home to help explain their faith, our children get washed away.

I get it having been brought up in a nominal Christian home with a liberal mainline church. Thank the Lord He called me out of that and then revealed His truth as described in His word or an old earth evolutionist I would be still!

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News Item12/24/2020 1:32 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
I
Adriel wrote:
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TULIP is Biblical for those who know.
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Yes, I have planted a few myself. Nice flower. I don’t think they are mentioned in Scripture, though.
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News Item12/24/2020 11:34 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Calvin only sought to bring sinners back under bondage to the law, "Let none of us deem ourselves exempt from this necessity, for none have as yet attained to such a degree of wisdom, as that they may not, by the daily instruction of the Law, advance to a purer knowledge of the Divine will. Then, because we need not doctrine merely, but exhortation also, the servant of God will derive this further advantage from the Law: by frequently meditating upon it, he will be excited to obedience, and confirmed in it, and so drawn away from the slippery paths of sin. The Law acts like a whip to the flesh, urging it on as men do a lazy sluggish ass. Even in the case of a spiritual man, inasmuch as he is still burdened with the weight of the flesh, the Law is a constant stimulus, pricking him forward when he would indulge in sloth".Calvin
-"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath **made me free from the law of sin and death**." Romans 8
For whoever shall keep the whole Law, but shall stumble in one point, he has become guilty of all. James 2:10
The law requires PERFECT OBEDIENCE, all the time, every time. Calvin missed this, as do many Reformed/Calvinists. Paul makes clear in Romans 6:14 the law plays no part in the life of a believer, "you are NOT *under law*"...
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News Item12/24/2020 11:09 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
“”In particular, anti-Christian, anti-God indoctrination masquerading as “public education” has been the key driver of those trends.“”

I didn’t know that Christianity was about education???

I thought it was revelation.

So this is how God is defeated by sinners???

Or is it just the Liberalist religion and nominal’s who are defeated.
Oh and of course the poor little Arminians, who work so hard at “believing”

In Calvinism we find God to be sovereign and omnipotent.
But then that is when Faith is a gift — and not human effort.

TULIP is Biblical for those who know.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.“

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News Item12/24/2020 6:21 AM
Joshua  Find all comments by Joshua
When joe Biden and Jim hold hands they both fall in a ditch
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News Item12/24/2020 3:02 AM
cv  Find all comments by cv
Jim Lincoln wrote:
killed off by an indifferent government
No, not indifferent-

from the news article wrote:
“public education” system was always intended to turn Americans against God. Indeed, it was created for that purpose. And it has been phenomenally successful
The death of a dead church
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News Item12/24/2020 1:19 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not much of a church if it can be killed off by an indifferent government ❗🛐
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