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WEDNESDAY, AUG 5, 2020  |  48 comments
Billy Graham statue to replace that of Democratic white supremacist in U.S. Capitol
A life-sized statue of the Rev. Billy Graham will be installed in the U.S. Capitol’s Statuary Hall collection sometime next year, replacing a statue of a white supremacist that both the state of North Carolina and the U.S. House want removed.

Last week, a North Carolina legislative committee approved a 2-foot model of the statue depicting the famous evangelist who died in 2018.

The sculptor, Chas Fagan, will now begin working on a life-sized model that will have to be approved by a congressional committee. Fagan has previously created several statues of religious figures, including St. John Paul II for Washington’s Saint John Paul II National Shrine, as well as Mother Teresa for the Washington National Cathedral. ...


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News Item8/5/2020 5:41 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jesus didn’t just “make propitiation.” He IS propitiation. 1 John 2:2—And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Word of God. Don’t you just love it?
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News Item8/5/2020 5:17 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Tim, The Gospel is also the 'righteousness of God' Romans 1:17, Paul said 'we preach Christ crucified' as well. If your gospel does not reveal the righteousness of God, you have not preached the true Gospel.
Here are more verses, "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.-1 Cor.
I am not interested in your whosoever jesus, the jesus of Arminianism/Roman Catholicism, I already know the Christ that came to redeem His sheep, that imputes His righteousness to His elect, that sanctified and justified His sheep, given to Him by the Father before the world began. The Christ that was obedient unto death, that made propitiation for the elect from every tribe, tongue and nation. The Christ that saves solely by sovereign grace, with no help from the sinner. The Christ that reveals I am helpless apart from Him. His robe of righteousness is mine
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News Item8/5/2020 4:37 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1   Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2   By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3   For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4   And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
There it is, Ladybug. The gospel, the whole gospel, and nothing but the gospel. This is the gospel Paul preached, the gospel I preach, and the only gospel that saves. Done here.
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News Item8/5/2020 3:23 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Tim, I think it's only fair you address your accusation instead of resorting to diversion and rabbit trails. Now, be a man and step up to the plate and prove your accusation, otherwise it becomes obvious your rant was little more than an unfounded opinion- which appears to be the case.

More on Billy Graham, "In an interview with McCall’s Magazine, Graham said: I’ve found that my beliefs are essentially the same as those of orthodox Roman Catholics ... we differ on some matters of later church tradition” (McCalls, January 1978)".
This is why Rome embraced him, he preached the same gospel Rome preaches.

Graham appeared on the Phil Donahue show on October 11, 1979, and in discussing Pope Paul II’s visit to the U.S.A., said: “I think the American people are looking for a leader, a moral and spiritual leader that believes something. And the Pope does. He didn’t mince words on a single subject. As a matter of fact,👉 his subject in Boston was really an evangelistic address in which he asked the people to come to Christ, to give their lives to Christ. I said, ‘Thank God, I’ve got somebody to quote now with some real authority’👈” (The Gospel Standard, Feb. 1986).

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News Item8/5/2020 3:18 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Never mind. You obviously have no clue.
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News Item8/5/2020 3:01 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Tim, kindly address your accusation against me--
,👉 instead of spewing bitterness and accusations (and I thought Satan was “the accuser of the brethren”) like you have done so far on **this thread**?👈 You act as if you are more concerned about keeping the wrong people from getting saved than you are in helping the right ones to find the way of life." What were you referencing to there Tim? Everything I posted here was exposing BG ecumenism, so what now Tim? Accuser of the brethren? Meaning you consider BG a brother? 👁️👁️If not, then explain who I have accused on 👉this thread👈👁️👁️-this is what you need to address Tim

Answer this, then I will answer your question.

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News Item8/5/2020 3:00 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
What is the gospel?
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News Item8/5/2020 2:50 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
March, 1628.Father Rector,'let not the damp of astonishment seize upon your ardent and zealous soul, in apprehending the sodaine (sudden) and unexpected calling of a Parliament. We have now many strings to our bow. * We have planted that soveraigne drugge Arminianisme*, which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresie; and it flourisheth and beares fruit in due season. For the better prevention of the Puritanes, the Arminians have already locked up the Duke's (of Buckingham) eares; and we have those of our owne religion, which stand continually at the Duke's chamber, to see who goes in and out: we cannot be too circumspect and carefull in this regard. I am, at this time, transported with joy, to see how happily all instruments and means, as well great as lesser, co-operate unto our purposes. But, to return unto the maine fabricke:--OUR FOUNDATION IS ARMINIANISME" [Hidden works of darkness, p. 89, 90. Edit. 1645.]
From Rome's council of Trent, "CANON V.-If any one saith, that, since Adam's sin, the free will of man is lost and extinguished; or, that it is a thing with only a name, yea a name without a reality, a figment, in fine, introduced into the Church by Satan; let him be anathema."
Free will/decision theology is the same theology of Rome and Graham.
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News Item8/5/2020 2:37 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
""Fagan has previously created several statues of religious figures, including St. John Paul II for Washington’s Saint John Paul II .... ""

Liberalism is good at creating idolatry.
Reprobates enjoy that.
So does Satan.

What is in the heart of a people who build stone effigies to quote, "honour" mortals?
Why memorialize a sinner?

Is this mans way of constructing eternal life? In stone?

Isaiah 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together."

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

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News Item8/5/2020 2:32 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Tim, kindly address your accusation against me--

,👉 instead of spewing bitterness and accusations (and I thought Satan was “the accuser of the brethren”) like you have done so far on **this thread**?👈 You act as if you are more concerned about keeping the wrong people from getting saved than you are in helping the right ones to find the way of life." What were you referencing to there Tim? Everything I posted here was exposing BG ecumenism, so what now Tim? Accuser of the brethren? Meaning you consider BG a brother? 👁️👁️If not, then explain who I have accused on 👉this thread👈👁️👁️-this is what you need to address Tim ..

Concerning Graham's 'gospel'

From RCC priest Cuthbert Allen, "So I am well pleased, then, to answer your question:👉 BILLY GRAHAM IS PREACHING A MORAL AND EVANGELICAL THEOLOGY MOST ACCEPTABLE TO CATHOLICS (Letter of May 19, 1965,👈 from Cuthbert E. Allen to Mr. Julius C. Taylor, reprinted in The Christian News, October 1, 1984). So, Graham preached a gospel Rome had no problem with, and all here who agree line up with the great harlot.

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News Item8/5/2020 2:22 PM
Anonymous believer  Find all comments by Anonymous believer
LB, did you ever meet Mr Graham? You seem to an excellent judge of his heart and soul, just wondering...

Also, I would be very cautious about calling Arminianism a false gospel. Of course, I am a Calvinist (though I don’t like labels), and a true understanding of the Gospel is that it’s all God’s work, but I do think that calling Arminianism a false gospel is wrong... it’s defiantly bad theology, but God can use that to bring them to a greater knowledge of the truth, like He did me and my family.

I may be wrong on this... it’s just my journey.

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News Item8/5/2020 1:59 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
What is the gospel Ladybug?
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News Item8/5/2020 1:32 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
I understand sister. It's telling how they rant about Graham's ecumenism, yet embrace his synergistic man centered gospel

I reiterate"Billy Graham says: '🤮Anyone who makes a decision at our meetings🤮 is referred to a local clergyman, Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish.' (1957) Roman Catholic Cardinal Cushing said: "I am 100 percent for the evangelist...👉I have never known a religious crusade that was more effective than Dr. Graham's. I have never heard the slightest criticism of anything he has ever said from any Catholic source.👈" (1964) In 1963 Billy Graham said that he had a Roman Catholic bishop stand beside him and bless the 'converts' as they came forward in San Paulo, Brazil." Rome had no problem with BGs gospel, why is that?
Graham never knew Christ ever, he mixed Christ's name with his evangelistic dung and presto- he was well on his way to Rome. You don't compromise with Satan's church and yet preach truth. The absurdity of that mindset is a testimony to the time in which we live.

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News Item8/5/2020 1:18 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Sister lb, I am taking a break from here, as there is absolutely nothing being accomplished but slander, innuendo, harping on nearly every thread about women and their roles in the home and society...I guess trying to make the point of get off this forum ladybug and MS and let us good ole boys continue on with our superior knowledge of the Bible and how great we all art.
Take care, sister.
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News Item8/5/2020 1:08 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dr. Tim wrote:
My position on Graham, Frank, is that like two Old Testament kings, Saul and Solomon, he started strong and finished weak. I believe that multitudes got saved under his ministry, but that Graham and the BGEA then threw the newborn lambs to the wolves. Now let LB say that the gospel Graham preached can’t save anyone. If she ever gets saved herself she’ll see.
Thanks for the response Tim. I understand your thoughts. I have also heard that BG started out well and then fame and fortune led him into his apostasies. That is a reasonable idea. He actually attended a theological school for a period of time that is only 5 miles from my home.

I don't know how many people were saved by his ministry, but I also don't consider that important. If God used him, so be it and praise His holy name.

But that of course doesn't change any of the narrative about his ecumenicalism. The beginnings don't justify the endings.

As you and I both agree; salvation is solely the work of the Holy Spirit. So, if God used Graham, then praise the name of our Lord and Savior. But that is solely God's business and IMO doesn't change any of my thoughts about BG.

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News Item8/5/2020 12:56 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Not so fast Tim, your diversion tactics won't work this time. . . you didn't explain or answer this-Not so Tim, here's your comment
"Do YOU know “the true gospel “? If so, why don’t you trot it out,👉 instead of spewing bitterness and accusations (and I thought Satan was “the accuser of the brethren”) like you have done so far on **this thread**?👈 You act as if you are more concerned about keeping the wrong people from getting saved than you are in helping the right ones to find the way of life." What were you referencing to there Tim? Everything I posted here was exposing BG ecumenism, so what now Tim? Accuser of the brethren? Meaning you consider BG a brother? 👁️👁️If not, then explain who I have accused on 👉this thread👈👁️👁️-this is what you need to address Tim

Now if someone holds to a false gospel, are they saved? Does God use Arminian gospels like Graham's 'make your decision's gospel to save? Romans 1:16,17 answers that, there's only one Gospel that has power to save, this Gospel reveals the righteousness of God, 1 Cor 1:23we, however, preach Christ having been crucified, a stumbling block indeed to the Jewish and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but 👉those called, both Jews and Greeks👈, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

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News Item8/5/2020 12:49 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Tim, your slanderous judgements of a blood bought sheep of the Lord are sin.
Please read 1Peter 2:1-3.
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News Item8/5/2020 12:45 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John, as Ray Charles used to say, “You’ve got the right one, baby!” Any gospel other than that one is false and accursed. Going for my prayer walk now.
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News Item8/5/2020 12:42 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
My position on Graham, Frank, is that like two Old Testament kings, Saul and Solomon, he started strong and finished weak. I believe that multitudes got saved under his ministry, but that Graham and the BGEA then threw the newborn lambs to the wolves. Now let LB say that the gospel Graham preached can’t save anyone. If she ever gets saved herself she’ll see.
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News Item8/5/2020 12:41 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Frank, just to be clear. Disputes can take place and I personally do not judge, ponder, or pronounce anyone saved or unsaved. That is above all of our pay grades. But, when it comes to the Gospel, false teaching and false teachers need to be called out.
Hope that clarifies my position.
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