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FRONT PAGE  |  8/12/2020
SUNDAY, JUL 5, 2020  |  21 comments  |  2 commentaries
O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing
The Christian tradition to which I’ve belonged most of my life—the Reformed tradition of Protestantism—is not famous for its contributions to the western musical canon. But it is famous for its hymns and hymn-singing. The Lutherans have Bach; the Catholics have Monteverdi and Mozart and many others; the Reformed have . . . Louis Bourgeois. He compiled and composed hundreds of fine hymn tunes in Geneva during the 1540s, including “Old 100th,” to which many Protestant congregations sing the “doxology.”

The great majority of the Anglophone world’s best hymns have emerged from the Reformed tradition—either from Presbyterianism or the evangelical side of Anglicanism. While the rest of 18th-century Europe was awash in ideas of the Enlightenment, the Reformed in Britain, Ireland and North America wrote hymns. The hymns of Isaac Watts and John Newton, John and Charles Wesley, and William Cowper are models ...


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News Item7/8/2020 3:03 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
[QUOTE]and thankfully is not genetically modified, so long as you keep to the KJV or similar.
The Lord made today, so rejoice in it all day long, and don't let the worldlings take away your joy. John 10:10[/QUOTE] made me laugh.. So true.
Those others especially NIV the voice of Jesus is harder to recognize..“Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.”
— Micah 7:18 (KJV). Have a blessed day . As for meals eat the bitter with the sweet we need both.Spiritually as well as body..
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News Item7/8/2020 6:48 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchmanremo wrote:
You got it this time..
As to your breakfast, i reckon you didnt make it.
We just had dinner thia red curry an ozzie dinner.😁 it seems you are haveing a ozzie breckfast..Make sure you have a spiritual meal too, the best part..Have a blessed Day..bro
Breakfast was dreadful. Bacon was bland, beans bland, toast poor. I'm running out of ideas.

But yes, the spiritual food is more important, and thankfully is not genetically modified, so long as you keep to the KJV or similar.

The Lord made today, so rejoice in it all day long, and don't let the worldlings take away your joy. John 10:10

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News Item7/8/2020 4:00 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
You got it this time..

As to your breakfast, i reckon you didnt make it.
We just had dinner thia red curry an ozzie dinner.😁 it seems you are haveing a ozzie breckfast..Make sure you have a spiritual meal too, the best part..Have a blessed Day..bro

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News Item7/8/2020 3:21 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchmanremo wrote:
Thankyou. Sorry if i didnt make it clear they dont belong to the robe side of Anglicanism but over hear they are evangelical anglican you may not of heard of them. They go under the name of Trinity church or something lkke that, alot of young foke no choir thats for sure, ☺ they have a bands well they would not say that.
Anyway not to worry. Enjoy your breakfast.
I think I know what you mean bro. Over here, since the 60's, some Anglican churches had left their orthodoxy in favour of a mild version of charismatic, introducing a simple group of musicians comprising perhaps keyboards, acoustic guitar and drums, and singing the latest repetitive nonsense, relaxing on the formal appearance, appealing to younger people, departing from truth, and so on. Their big thing was to divide Christians into two camps: those who have, and those who have not. Have not what? The baptism with the Holy Spirit. What a big deception! Clever dicky devil made mincemeat of them.

Ah, now breakfast. I wondered why my tummy was a rumbling. Today I have a speciality: bacon medallions, baked beans, and two slices of wholemeal toast. Wow!

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News Item7/8/2020 3:08 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
John UK wrote:
Thank you brother, and may the Lord hearken to your prayers and answer with a good result. There is nothing that he cannot do.
As for your question, I do not have an answer. For some remote reason, certain persons seem able to sit in an Anglican service, with all its robes, walkabouts, liturgy, stand up sit down, listen to the choir, woolly sermons etc. And they love it. Mystery to me.
Thankyou. Sorry if i didnt make it clear they dont belong to the robe side of Anglicanism but over hear they are evangelical anglican you may not of heard of them. They go under the name of Trinity church or something lkke that, alot of young foke no choir thats for sure, ☺ they have a bands well they would not say that.
Anyway not to worry. Enjoy your breakfast.
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News Item7/8/2020 2:46 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchmanremo wrote:
And too you too brother John. Your Day blessed in His Grace..
I have many dilemmas in my life. Too many to expose.. I hand them over cast them to the Lord Jesus. That His Mind will truly be living in me.
My wifes parents are christian and her sister is too. Her sister goes to an anglican church but not the old Anglican but as some say the Born again one evangelical...Ive been there 3 times thats enough for me not say its enough, but i find it hard to sit under it. Is this the fault with me or with them? That's the big question i say this honestly no party spirit. JUST Jesus.Peace and Grace too you brother John
“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach
Thank you brother, and may the Lord hearken to your prayers and answer with a good result. There is nothing that he cannot do.

As for your question, I do not have an answer. For some remote reason, certain persons seem able to sit in an Anglican service, with all its robes, walkabouts, liturgy, stand up sit down, listen to the choir, woolly sermons etc. And they love it. Mystery to me.

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News Item7/7/2020 4:36 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
John UK wrote:
Good morning to you Remo, and may the Lord fill you to overflowing, that you may say, "My cup runneth over."
It's a fact that since the first psinspiration of God, p, and still are being used today, in keeping with NT instruction, in a variety of churches, especially since the Reformatio.
Unfortunately, some made the worship of God too highbrow, putting worship The Anglicans especially are guilty of this, because although their psalm singing is most beautiful, being set in plainsong, the ordinary man cannot sing them.
And too you too brother John. Your Day blessed in His Grace..

I have many dilemmas in my life. Too many to expose.. I hand them over cast them to the Lord Jesus. That His Mind will truly be living in me.
My wifes parents are christian and her sister is too. Her sister goes to an anglican church but not the old Anglican but as some say the Born again one evangelical...Ive been there 3 times thats enough for me not say its enough, but i find it hard to sit under it. Is this the fault with me or with them? That's the big question i say this honestly no party spirit. JUST Jesus.Peace and Grace too you brother John
“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach

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News Item7/7/2020 7:45 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchmanremo wrote:
My reference to are you Anglican,😁 a cheeky remark in relation to they use of the psalms as a prayer book as they are to be only used. No extempory singing prayers and bible readings..To be consistent.
I thought the saints said Psalms, hymns and spiritual song wait for it unto the Lord. You know The Lord Jesus Christ.Ding ding.

Its was Josephus not p. I was thinking.. I love the psalms a godly man once said to me if you want a be relationship with God read psalms and if you want a better relationship with man read proverbs..Morning to you John.
Good morning to you Remo, and may the Lord fill you to overflowing, that you may say, "My cup runneth over."

It's a fact that since the first psalm was written under the inspiration of God, psalms have been sung in the worship of God, and still are being used today, in keeping with NT instruction, in a variety of churches, especially since the Reformation restored this to the church.

Unfortunately, some churches have made the worship of God too highbrow, putting worship beyond the reach of the common man. The Anglicans especially are guilty of this, because although their psalm singing is most beautiful, being set in plainsong, the ordinary man cannot sing them.

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News Item7/7/2020 5:05 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
John UK wrote:

Am I Anglican? Well I do not attend an Anglican church, and never have done. They hold some most awful doctrines, even though their 39 articles of faith have some very sound doctrines. However, I do love to read the words of a former Bishop Of Liverpool (Anglican) called John C Ryle.
As for hymns, perhaps you did not know that the Jews separated the book of psalms into three types, commonly known and understood, as psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Ring a bell?
My reference to are you Anglican,😁 a cheeky remark in relation to they use of the psalms as a prayer book as they are to be only used. No extempory singing prayers and bible readings..To be consistent.
I thought the saints said Psalms, hymns and spiritual song wait for it unto the Lord. You know The Lord Jesus Christ.Ding ding.

Its was Josephus not p. I was thinking.. I love the psalms a godly man once said to me if you want a be relationship with God read psalms and if you want a better relationship with man read proverbs..Morning to you John.
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News Item7/7/2020 4:41 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchmanremo wrote:
He he he. You cheeky englishman..
I will reply they were singing hynms to Christ as God in the 1st century (church history i forget that guys name he he he not Plato the other p i think)..as well as the prayers of david. Its a prayer book too. No human prayer please. Are you Anglican.

Am I Anglican? Well I do not attend an Anglican church, and never have done. They hold some most awful doctrines, even though their 39 articles of faith have some very sound doctrines. However, I do love to read the words of a former Bishop Of Liverpool (Anglican) called John C Ryle.

As for hymns, perhaps you did not know that the Jews separated the book of psalms into three types, commonly known and understood, as psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Ring a bell?

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News Item7/6/2020 9:18 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
John UK wrote:
Someone witnessed in his own church changing the psalter for a hymn book. When he asked why, he was told not to be a troubler in Israel.
He he he. You cheeky englishman..
I will reply they were singing hynms to Christ as God in the 1st century (church history i forget that guys name he he he not Plato the other p i think)..as well as the prayers of david. Its a prayer book too. No human prayer please. Are you Anglican.

I see Kynay West (christian) is running for the 2020 presidency

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News Item7/6/2020 12:16 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Watchman.r. wrote:
HEAR Here. I witnessed in my own church changing the old hymn book to hillsong one song at a time.Why i said.. Now i am called a troubler of Israel..
Someone witnessed in his own church changing the psalter for a hymn book. When he asked why, he was told not to be a troubler in Israel.
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News Item7/6/2020 11:30 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
We still sing at church, and when the government says we can’t, it’s time for a new government.
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News Item7/6/2020 8:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
O for a Thousand Muzzled Tongues to Sing.
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News Item7/6/2020 7:08 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
At present, sadly, this discussion about good solid devotional and doctrinal hymns versus the repetitive vacuous doctrinally empty 7/11 rock style choruses popular in most professed evangelical churches today, is rather academic since any singing in churches is illegal in many places at present, even if they are wearing masks!!

I watched two lovely services yesterday, which had a present congregation, which were totally live, for the spoken parts and had recorded hymns with congregation and organ, from pre-COVID 19 lockdown services. The cameraman in this church never films the congregation anyway, but only the pastor. This is just as well, as the fully masked congregation, (mandated by the church, not the government, though they recommend it), are still not allowed to sing, (that is a government order), and are given a paper hymn sheet, which they read silently, while the recorded hymns are being sung, and then take hone with them afterwards!!!

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News Item7/5/2020 6:48 PM
Watchman.r. | Australia  Find all comments by Watchman.r.
HEAR Here. I witnessed in my own church changing the old hymn book to hillsong one song at a time.Why i said.. Now i am called a troubler of Israel..
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News Item7/5/2020 6:15 PM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
Our problem in American Christianity is that since the late forties, the American church has sought to change itself into a secular church. They ditch bible translations, for a easier more updated translation. Dumb it down to people who cannot or will not read. Our hymnals are gone. Enter a church and their in the back room hidden away.
Too make matters most grievous is the changes to my own denomination is ( SBC) about to take on a mega earthquake. Under the guidance of Southern Seminary in Louisville Kentucky and with southwestern seminary in Fort Worth, the desire to stop people leaving the denomination and for baptisms to increase, the SBC re elected J D Greer. The aw shucks, raise your iPhone if “ you’ve decided to follow Jesus “. JD was re-elected after broadening the tent for folks who act and look like they don’t care about heaven or hell. His coy , left tipping, leadership will finally cause a well deserved split. Hopefully it’ll be live on a zoom cast so when that unshaven mug of his watches over half the messengers leave he’ll act like the king singing “ you’ll be back” out of Hamilton.
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News Item7/5/2020 1:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Kevin Mungons wrote:
....
Death of the 7/11 chorus [ ]

At the height of the Worship Wars, critics complained about the “7/11 chorus,” brief lyrical sentiments that seemed to feature seven words repeated 11 times. Yes, the snarky insult was also a deliberate allusion to a convenience store. Critics wondered if the lyrical and musical content was the equivalent of fast food rather than a substantive meal....

excerpt from,"Psalms, Hymns, and Some Really New Songs"

https://tinyurl.com/yd8gakhc

It has occurred to me that I don't think I like any music that was written after 1920 oh, there might be a few hymns the past 200 year test but there are few and far between. As much as the as the author of the above thinks the above is no longer true there are still plenty of examples that are around ❗👎😝

It wouldn't hurt if singers and instrument players did a little more practice no matter what the vintage of the music is also.

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News Item7/5/2020 10:35 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
Broadman - the auto correction is going away on my stupid device.
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News Item7/5/2020 10:34 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
My preference is the 1940 Briadman hymnal- any thing past that is too modernized.
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