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FRONT PAGE  |  8/11/2020
SUNDAY, JUN 28, 2020  |  91 comments  |  1 commentary
COVID-19 may have infected 10 times more Americans than previously known
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control estimates that the number of people who've been infected with the coronavirus in the U.S. might be 10 times higher than the 2.4 million known positive cases of COVID-19.

CDC Director Robert Redfield told reporters Thursday that millions more Americans could be or at one point have been infected with COVID-19 than has been detected through traditional testing, due to the fact that the virus causes “so much asymptomatic infection.”

In a press briefing, Redfield suggested that for every positive case of coronavirus in the U.S., there might have been about 10 other cases that weren’t detected. ...


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News Item7/1/2020 3:58 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
MS wrote:
Thank you for your input HM. I have read many of your comments on the forum and they have been quite beneficial.
Do hope you will continue to post and not let a couple of disgruntled individuals who have some goofy ideas keep you from commenting.
Most of us just ignore their prattle.
I am just curious, but what goofy idea do I have? And I certainly can't imagine what I could have written that showed I was disgruntled.

No one even referenced me except John and Herbal Mama, so I was very comfortable. Herbal Mama actually said I was acting as a mediator. And I thought her testimony was outstanding.

If you weren't referring to me; who was the couple on the thread. John would have certainly been one, but a "couple" implies another.

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News Item7/1/2020 2:49 PM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
MS,
I do intend to keep posting. I just meant I was done with that particular arguement.

I enjoy your comments as well.

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News Item7/1/2020 2:28 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The USA could have done a "Darwin Experiment" instead of locking down. The experiment would have involved ignoring the so-called, imaginary virus from Wuhan, China, carrying on as normal; and then, if there actually was a virus which was capable of killing people, it would probably only have killed the weak and useless in society, and as Darwin proposed, the fittest would survive. I'm sorry if someone else proposed that already, I must have missed it.

Of course, in the UK, that would never happen. For some reason we are very careful to help the elderly and vulnerable, which is why the life expectancy age is so high now in the UK - it's because of the - wait for it - the National Health Service.

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News Item7/1/2020 11:58 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
HerbalMama wrote:
I've no desire to fuel the debate so last word is y'alls. Observation has shown where you both stand.
Anyone who disagrees or questions John UK is lost and hell bound. Frank is a mediator and is trying to keep the peace.
For my characters sake, my husband is the leader of my home. Neither of you twos opinion matters. I do stay home and raise my children. I am within my biblical rights as we are not in church or an army or politics. I am done here.
Thank you for your input HM. I have read many of your comments on the forum and they have been quite beneficial.
Do hope you will continue to post and not let a couple of disgruntled individuals who have some goofy ideas keep you from commenting.
Most of us just ignore their prattle.
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News Item7/1/2020 10:40 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

And like you said; I have learned much from women on this forum and in my email exchanges. The Lord leads and guides them the same way He does you and I. And their different perspectives are very helpful.

Frank, I am convinced that some women are especially gifted by the Lord, and can be a great blessing. Sometimes, as you say, their "different perspectives" are very helpful. [I agree with the rest of your post.]

I just caught this from your previous post:

"Let me just say this; anything I have done for the Lord was done by the Lord. Nothing I have ever done was because I had any special calling or bravery. Our heavenly Father never shares His glory with anyone."

"Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Too true, bro! That verse is one of my favourite verses, which shows where all our motivation and service comes from. So that we might say, "To God be the glory, great things he hath done."

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News Item7/1/2020 10:38 AM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
I've no desire to fuel the debate so last word is y'alls. Observation has shown where you both stand.

Anyone who disagrees or questions John UK is lost and hell bound. Frank is a mediator and is trying to keep the peace.

For my characters sake, my husband is the leader of my home. Neither of you twos opinion matters. I do stay home and raise my children. I am within my biblical rights as we are not in church or an army or politics. I am done here.

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News Item7/1/2020 10:34 AM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
So posting on a public forum is now feminsist and Christian women are forbidden? You both ignorantly paint with a broad brush and assume the women on here are in rebellion against their God given roles. I'm even the more glad that my salavation lies with Jesus and not men, for man makes a huge unscriptural list that is a burden. Christ is not burdensome.
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News Item7/1/2020 9:44 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
But then, I would say that is true of most of the men also. We are in the midst of a great falling away, an apostasy to end all apostasies. And it behoves us to Get Back To The Bible.
Thanks for your well thought out post. I also see the same dilemma you see; men not being men and women not being women in a biblical sense. But, even if men lead poorly, women should not lead. And even if women lead well, they should not lead. IMO, it has nothing at all to do with skills, knowledge or any other trait. It is the role that God decided in the beginning. Scripture clearly says that the head of woman is man. Try saying the head of Christ is man or something like that.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

And like you said; I have learned much from women on this forum and in my email exchanges. The Lord leads and guides them the same way He does you and I. And their different perspectives are very helpful.

Brother this is a very divisive issue and will never be resolved during our earthly pilgrimage.

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News Item7/1/2020 9:08 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
And they shouldn't be there!
Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
I guess it is one of those slippery slopes, and I doubt we'll ever see a return to Bible-based Christianity, unless these issues are sorted out and dealt with.

I have the greatest respect for women; I love them and see God's purpose for them in scripture. But it is very rare nowadays to see Christian women play their role as God intended. Indeed, one the few places you will see it firsthand is in Amish communities. I'm not commending Amish by saying that, merely observing that from what I've seen of them, there is a sharp distinction between the men and women, and both men and women play their biblical role.

In my observations of the way women are in general, in churches in the UK, I can think of very few who were behaving biblically, and not causing a problem to other church members.

But then, I would say that is true of most of the men also. We are in the midst of a great falling away, an apostasy to end all apostasies. And it behoves us to Get Back To The Bible.

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News Item7/1/2020 8:23 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Ha! You don't think it was diverted to Homeland Security or the FBI for examination before they let it through? After all, there are a lot of evangelical feminists in politics, and they are not frightened to admit it.
And they shouldn't be there!

Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

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News Item7/1/2020 8:12 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
It was my pleasure. This was weird. My post showed up 37 minutes after I tried to post it. I know you are thinking it was OMI, but it wasn't.
Ha! You don't think it was diverted to Homeland Security or the FBI for examination before they let it through? After all, there are a lot of evangelical feminists in politics, and they are not frightened to admit it.
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News Item7/1/2020 8:05 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Thank you Frank. Lord bless.
It was my pleasure. This was weird. My post showed up 37 minutes after I tried to post it. I know you are thinking it was OMI, but it wasn't. Since this issue was sort of mentioned, I will comment on it below. I know that you feel the same way.

Years ago I alluded to the things I have done in communist countries. I remember someone accusing me of trying to puff myself up. That was not the case but in order for my post to make sense, I had to allude to where the issue came up. IOW, if it pertained to one of my trips, then the trip had to be noted.

Let me just say this; anything I have done for the Lord was done by the Lord. Nothing I have ever done was because I had any special calling or bravery. Our heavenly Father never shares His glory with anyone.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

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News Item7/1/2020 8:01 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Brother JohnUK,
This is the first I have seen of this thread. In fact, I didn’t even read through it so I’m not sure where the dissent started. I wish I had seen it earlier so I could have come to your aid.
It is impossible to deal with evangelical feminists. It is impossible to win an argument with evangelical feminists and they take great pride in that. What I try to do is be as fair as I can and then simply ignore what they say. Tell them the truth and then leave them be. I know with certainty that you are not a misogynist as you work with women in your country and women in the Middle East.
Like you, I have been accused of serving a false God and of being a misogynist. If someone goes that far, then they truly should be ignored.
The only moniker I am going to address is Lurker. Many years ago I accused him of supporting evangelical feminism and apparently my fellow ember hasn’t changed.
2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Anyway, hang in there.
Thank you Frank. Lord bless.
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News Item7/1/2020 7:05 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
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News Item7/1/2020 6:28 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
Ladies, surely affinities and likeness of trail of thought are sustained often with John on my part, yet of late, obtuse reasoning on his part has brought in incongruent thinking patterns for which commendation was not possible.
No one knows what a person is going through while posting here. Some sort of sickness, in more that one way, might underline or exist.
However and definitively, ladies, if one does not have an encouraging way to uplift, correct or direct, is better to hold on to one's peace, rather than to fire off to a member for whom Christ died.
Maturity always has a way of showing itself.

Thank you, Sister B.

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News Item7/1/2020 4:32 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
John, I said I had nothing more to say but I can't let this stand without an answer.
If this is what you truly believe then I implore you..... be gone and never return. There is no place for such unwarranted and malicious contempt of our dear sisters in Christ on this forum.
Lurker, I thank you for your post, coming as it does from your heart, not from a masked Christian who is trying to be "nice" and "good" and portray himself as the spiritual business. I much prefer honesty to hidden anger and violence, because violence and anger, bottled up, can cause mental problems for which there is little hope, except of course in Jesus Christ, whose healing of sins and sicknesses is found in his atonement.

However, because you tell lies about me, you yourself leave yourself open to devils by the back door, and on top of that, rebuke by the Almighty. So it is out of concern for you that I speak up, as I see nobody else cares about your eternal soul.

You say I have "malicious contempt of our dear sisters in Christ on this forum". What I wish to know is, Which "dear sisters" are you referring to? And how do I show "malicious contempt" for them?

Unlike you (whom I forgive), I have never told anyone here to clear off and never return.

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News Item6/30/2020 4:28 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
Galatians 5 (KJV)
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¹³ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
¹⁴ For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
¹⁵ But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
¹⁶ This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
¹⁷ For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
¹⁸ But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
¹⁹ Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
²⁰ Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
²¹ Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
²² But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
²³ Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
²⁴ And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh .
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News Item6/30/2020 2:38 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Jim's statement is based on analysis. Other people also analyze data and come to different conclusions based on those data.

The CDC analyzed positive test result data with other data and came to the headlined conclusion.

Americans look at what their government or authority figures are harping and come to their own conclusions. Maybe they agree. Maybe they don't. Once upon a long time ago, Americans were permitted to hold their own opinions. But no longer.

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News Item6/30/2020 1:31 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
"There is a general anti-science, anti-authority, anti-vaccine feeling among some people in this country — an alarmingly large percentage of people, relatively speaking."
'...he noted "we have a lot of work to do" in educating people on the safety of vaccines amid disinformation from the anti-vaccination movement.'
— Fauci
https://tinyurl.com/y7aoo29k (Fauci: Coronavirus vaccine may not be enough to achieve herd immunity in U.S.)
How long has it been since expert on health Dr. Fauci practiced as a physician?
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News Item6/30/2020 1:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
"There is a general anti-science, anti-authority, anti-vaccine feeling among some people in this country — an alarmingly large percentage of people, relatively speaking."

'...he noted "we have a lot of work to do" in educating people on the safety of vaccines amid disinformation from the anti-vaccination movement.'

— Fauci

https://tinyurl.com/y7aoo29k (Fauci: Coronavirus vaccine may not be enough to achieve herd immunity in U.S.)

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