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FRONT PAGE  |  8/12/2020
SATURDAY, JUN 13, 2020  |  18 comments
Churches in England permitted to open for private prayer tomorrow
Churches in England will be permitted to reopen for private prayer tomorrow, the Government has officially announced.

Individuals will be able to pray while adhering to social-distancing rules but services are still not allowed.

There have been calls across the UK to allow churches to resume activity as soon as possible.


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News Item6/16/2020 7:08 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
I did just pass a Catholic Church which had its doors open with stewards at the doors. I suspect the Anglican ones will take later, as the two Archbishops of Canterbury and York, ( the latter, a semi-liberal has now just finished, and ready to hand over to a very radical liberal), and the woman bishop of London, wouldn’t even allow priests or vicars to stream their services online from inside the churches until recently when one or two vicars protested, and they were then allowed to stream the service live from inside the church!!

As for churches, my own is not live-streaming, but the pastor has now begun to record and put on SA a Sunday morning and evening sermon, as well as a special recorded sermon series from his study or his vestry. I still watch the live Sunday webcasts of Metropolitan Tabernacle which is conducted by one of the two pastors with live prayers, readings and sermon, and pre-COVID19 lockdown recorded hymns and organ. It is always amazing to hear the invisible “congregation” suddenly appear, and stand up or sit down, and then suddenly the empty echoey church again after the hymn!!

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News Item6/16/2020 2:45 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Churches are now supposed to be open for private prayer only. I haven’t noticed any of the Anglican (or Catholic) ones open yet, as their bishops have gone along with the lockdown narrative completely, closing their churches before the government did, and presumably opening them a long time after the government gives permission, possibly in July, for in person services. As for “Free Churches” that don’t open anyway outside normal services, and most particularly the truly evangelical churches, there has been a deafening silence as to reopening, and I fear they will meekly accept whatever strict conditions are laid on them by the government. Mask wearing will probably be one of them.

I actually have an overactive sinus condition, and now masks are compulsory on public transport in England I find these things insufferable and very unpleasant. I am certainly not going to wear them in church. No baptisms, communion, singing, very likely to be the rule for church services, no doubt. Evangelicals in Britain will meekly submit, and China with its nasty virus has won!! It has closed the churches in the whole world, not just in its own country!!

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News Item6/14/2020 3:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
---
Mike since there's no scientific test for the Chinese who wore and didn't wear face masks I can't say how much good it did, but it's likely did a lot of good.
---
I suppose there's some reason you brought up Chinese face mask wearing to me, but I won't bother asking what it is, since you'd likely wander off into rendering unto Caesar, or why Christians shouldn't be involved with politics, or some other left turn.
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News Item6/14/2020 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I have to agree that Lindsey Graham is worthy to be related to Franklin. Lindsay is no more able,
To heal the land, https://tinyurl.com/qsvclox and that he's the perfect example for history will judge the complicit https://tinyurl.com/qsvclox❗

Mike since there's no scientific test for the Chinese who wore and didn't wear face masks I can't say how much good it did, but it's likely did a lot of good.

However, probably everybody agrees on this:

https://tinyurl.com/yaydhvea (Epidemic of wipes and masks plagues sewers, storm drains)

That is what garbage cans are for ❗👍😷

I'll still wear them when I run around and grocery stores and such; it makes me feel good, yes

BRF, I would have thought by now oh, you would have figured out everything in the United States has to deal with politics! I have tried to stay off of it some, though admittedly half this message has to deal with politics. Of course, if you want to tell us how Boris Johnson handled the pandemic---rather poorly I understand---have at it.

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News Item6/14/2020 11:15 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
Beijing lives in face masks and has for decades. It may or may not help. But the way the communists in our country are using it is to basically cause fear, submission and subjugation.
It’s almost like taking a knee but not quite.
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News Item6/14/2020 10:48 AM
BRF | UK  Find all comments by BRF
How does an article about churches opening for prayer in the UK get to be about American politics?
Is the fact that churches on both side of the Atlantic are shut a reason for great concern and prayer by believers, may be its us that God is chastising because we argue about politics rather than humble ourselves before our God and seek His grace and mercy not only because of our own sin but for our nations which have forsaken the narrow paths and walked on the broad paths that lead to destruction.
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News Item6/14/2020 10:18 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim, Remember the wearing of cloth face coverings is to make you think you're doing your part to save life. It makes you feel good. And also to keep you worried that death may be lurking nearby. Nevermind that a virus so small you need an electron microscope to see it won't be stopped by a cloth mask you can get air through. The best it can do is lessen the amount of chunky crud that gets through if you happen to sneeze or cough. If you breathe air through a mask, a virus isn't going to stay behind. As for CDC pronouncements, have you forgotten that the Surgeon General on Feb 29 said of masks, that they "are not effective in preventing the general public from catching coronavirus."? It was April before CDC suggested wearing them. Flexible expertise.
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News Item6/14/2020 9:29 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Cloth face coverings advice from the CDC
CDC wrote:
•Cloth Face Coverings  

•Require the use of cloth face coverings among staff. Cloth face coverings are most essential in times when physical distancing is difficult (e.g., when moving within a crowd or audience).

•Provide all staff with information on proper use, removal, and washing of cloth face coverings.

¶•Advise staff that cloth face coverings should not be placed on:

•Babies or children younger than 2 years old

•Anyone who has trouble breathing

•Anyone who is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the cloth face covering without assistance

•Encourage attendees ahead of the event to bring and use cloth face coverings at the event.

•Cloth face coverings are meant to protect other people in case the wearer is unknowingly infected but does not have symptoms. Cloth face coverings are not surgical masks or respirators. They are not personal protective equipment.

✓•Cloth face coverings are strongly encouraged in settings where individuals might raise their voice (e.g., shouting, chanting, singing)....

-"Considerations for Events and Gatherings"

https://tinyurl.com/yamvsp2a

✓"When and how can choirs sing again...?"

https://tinyurl.com/yd5t76jh

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News Item6/14/2020 7:36 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
So Joe’s a nice guy, at least when he isn’t committing felonious sexual assault. Jimmy Carter’s a nice guy, too—an idiot who supports the sodomites, but a nice guy—but he made a lousy president. Joe is a weather vane turning with every shift of the wind. God forbid that he get elected. The communists who are behind him will manipulate him to finish off capitalism and freedom in America.
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News Item6/14/2020 7:19 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
---think of all the endorsements that Biden has👍❗ for example, Lindsey Graham said this about him:
excerpt from, "GOP group touts Graham's past praise of Biden, criticism of Trump in new ad"
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Wow what an endorsement❗
Remember Jim, L Graham likes to be elected. Trump
Is pres now, and Lindsey wants to stay in Washington. He always has one foot in the swamp. Just in case.
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News Item6/14/2020 12:51 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Now why should I ever run for president, Timothy? think of all the endorsements that Biden has👍❗ for example, Lindsey Graham said this about him:
Marina Pitosky wrote:
Graham, who was running for president at the time, asked in the clip, “What is Donald Trump’s campaign about?” 

“He’s a race baiting, xenophobic religious bigot,” Graham says in the clip, adding, “You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to ****.”

“If you can’t admire Joe Biden as a person, you’ve got a problem. You need to do some self-evaluation, ‘cause, what’s not to like?” Graham says, calling Biden “as good a man as God ever created.”

“He’s said some of the most incredibly heartfelt things that anybody could ever say to me. He’s the nicest person I think I’ve ever met in politics,” Graham says.

excerpt from, "GOP group touts Graham's past praise of Biden, criticism of Trump in new ad"

https://tinyurl.com/yba26jrl

Wow what an endorsement❗

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News Item6/13/2020 10:54 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Go ahead and run for President, Jim. You’re about as likely to win as Pat Paulsen was—although he made more sense than you do.
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News Item6/13/2020 4:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Adriel, many GOPer's prayer will be ignored also.
Russell Moore wrote:
Many of those who tell pollsters they are “evangelical” may well be drunk right now, and haven’t been into a church since someone invited them to Vacation Bible School sometime back when Seinfeld was in first-run episodes.

The other problem is the behavior of some evangelical leaders. I have watched as some of these who gave stem-winding speeches about “character” in office during the Clinton administration now minimize the spewing of profanities in campaign speeches, race-baiting and courting white supremacists, boasting of adulterous affairs, debauching public morality and justice through the casino and pornography industries.

excerpt from,"Why this election makes me hate the word ‘evangelical’"

Russell hated the 2016 election for the above reasons, he will probably hate the 2020 election for the same reason--I know I will. Let's hope we get better results this time❗👍🛐

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News Item6/13/2020 3:31 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Liberalist churches such as the Anglican/Episcopalian etc: need not attend since God will not hear their prayers.

Quote:
"When God withholds the sweet manifestations of His favor, He does not look with such a pleasant aspect —but veils His face, and seems to be quite gone from the soul.

God is just in all His withdrawings. We desert Him before He deserts us. We desert God—when we leave off close communion with Him; when we desert His truths and dare not appear for Him; when we leave the guidance and conduct of His word, and follow the deceitful light of our own corrupt affections and passions. We desert God first; therefore we have none to blame but ourselves.

Desertion is very sad, for as when the light is withdrawn, darkness follows in the air —so when God withdraws, there is darkness and sorrow in the soul. Desertion is an agony of conscience. God holds the soul over hell. "The arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinks up my spirits" (Job 6:4). [Thomas Watson].

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News Item6/13/2020 2:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BRF is right and one might add that open air churches are probably safer anyway.👍

"COVID-19: Personal and Social Activities | CDC"
"Deciding to go out"

https://tinyurl.com/ybt86dgd

Supposedly some new guidelines from the CDC, it's still hard to find information about churches in the USA though.❗👎

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News Item6/13/2020 9:12 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Six words say way more than enough: "Churches in England will be permitted..."
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News Item6/13/2020 8:19 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Of course BRF is right in that we can pray anywhere, and of course we do not need a building to do that. However, I suppose this is at least a symbolic opening of church buildings, though presumably mainly only Anglican and Catholic Churches will open, as “Free Churches”, with some very rare exceptions, do not open their buildings, except for services.

It will be what happens when in house public services are allowed in the church building that greatly concerns me.

It will not really be acceptable if most activities of the church are banned, singing is outlawed, together with communion, baptisms, and any kind of fellowship, together no doubt with compulsory wearing of masks, combined with the fact that older and frailer members of the congregation are firmly otherwise told they are not welcome, and to stay at home!!

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News Item6/13/2020 7:14 AM
BRF | UK  Find all comments by BRF
Until we can have collective worship this remains an irrelevance to me I can call upon the name of the Lord anywhere and do not need a building for prayer.
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