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FRONT PAGE  |  8/7/2020
FRIDAY, JUN 5, 2020  |  31 comments
Northam Orders Lee Statue Removed, Stoney Aiming at the Rest
Bowing to the demands of the radical Left and validating its manufactured narrative of “institutional racism,” Virginia Governor Ralph Northam has ordered the removal of Robert E. Lee’s statue (shown) from Richmond’s Monument Avenue.

Northam’s justification for removing Lee — commander of the Confederate Army during the War Between the States — is that the war was principally about “the evils of slavery,” and that “institutional racism” cannot be expunged in Virginia until Lee and his lieutenants are removed from public view.

Concomitant with Northam’s move, leftist Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, who is black, said he will move to tear down all Confederate statues in the city, pursuant to a new law that permits local and municipal authorities to decide the fate of statues and monuments. ...


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News Item6/8/2020 7:02 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The winners of a war get to write the version of the history that best reflects on them. Sometimes that means adding a moral foundation that wasn't there when the war began. The so called Civil War was over half done when Lincoln delivered his Gettysburg Address. November 19, 1863. In which he stated the slaves in the rebel States were to be free, (but not the slaves in States loyal to the Union.) Freeing the slaves wasn't his goal, the preservation of the Union was. But slavery as a moral issue was necessary to make a war that was unpopular to many Northerners acceptable to them.
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News Item6/8/2020 7:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Adriel, Abraham Lincoln had evolving beliefs on racism--from what we can tell Robert E. Lee remained a racist all his life ❗👎
Sarah Pruitt wrote:
....
What he [A. Lincoln] did believe was that, like all men, blacks had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason slavery was inherently unjust.

Like his views on emancipation, Lincoln’s position on social and political equality for African-Americans would evolve over the course of his presidency. In the last speech of his life, delivered on April 11, 1865, he argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to vote....

excerpt from,"5 Things You May Not Know About Abraham Lincoln, Slavery and Emancipation"

https://tinyurl.com/y56jq39l

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News Item6/8/2020 3:35 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"On the Northern side, the rose-colored myth of the Civil War is that the blue-clad Union soldiers and their brave, doomed leader, Abraham Lincoln, were fighting to free the slaves. They weren’t, at least not initially; they were fighting to hold the nation together. Lincoln was known to personally oppose slavery (which is why the South seceded after his election in 1860), but his chief goal was preserving the Union. In August 1862, he famously wrote to the New York Tribune: “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” (history.com)
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News Item6/8/2020 2:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"When this war began I was opposed to it, bitterly opposed to it, and I told these people that unless every man should do his whole duty, they would repent it. And now they will repent."
General Lee to his son Curtis at Richmond, 1865.

Lee: "What are you doing with all that gray in your beard?"
Meade: "You have to answer for most of it." April 10, 1865

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News Item6/8/2020 1:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The British are having a hard time with people tearing down statues also.
news.abc.net.au wrote:
The Mayor of Bristol says the destruction of a statue of slave trader Edward Colston is an "iconic moment" and said he felt "no sense of loss" after it was torn down by Black Live Matter protesters....

Key points:

•Bristol Mayor Marvin Rees, whose father was Jamaican, said the city should unite after the protests

•He said there was a "historical irony" to Colston's statue ending up underwater considering the history of slaves being thrown off boats

•The UK's Policing Minister is calling for the people who tore the statue down to be prosecuted

excerpt from, "Bristol Mayor says Edward Colston statue's destruction an 'iconic moment' for the city"

https://tinyurl.com/yad5y5ak

Mike, isn't a great that Lee was so considerate of his own family? I think in my first posting it pointed out that Lee wasn't very considerate of slave families having the obnoxious habit of splitting families up as he sold his slaves.

General Meigs made sure that the Lee family couldn't return to Arlington. 👍

https://tinyurl.com/y9unuhf4 (How Arlington National Cemetery Came to Be)

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News Item6/7/2020 11:09 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"I cannot raise my hand against my birthplace, my home, my children." Robert E. Lee, in his letter of resignation from the US Army.
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News Item6/7/2020 10:30 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mark Robinson wrote:
....
To remove the statues, the council must follow a process outlined in a state law that takes effect July 1. It requires localities to hold a public hearing and publish notice of their intent in a newspaper. It also permits them to conduct a nonbinding referendum regarding the monuments.

If the City Council votes for removal, it must have a 30-day waiting period in which it offers to relocate the monuments to any museum, historical society or military battlefield, among others....

excerpt from,"It's unanimous: All nine Richmond City Council members back removal of Confederate monuments on Monument Avenue"

https://tinyurl.com/y96yxmk6

Statue of Jefferson Davis?

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News Item6/6/2020 9:57 AM
Ken  Contact via emailFind all comments by Ken
Tim B.
You need not worry. The South may not rise again, but the yankee is falling.
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News Item6/5/2020 11:05 PM
Tim B. | North Carolina  Find all comments by Tim B.
What most people (including Jim, it would seem) fail to realize is that almost everyone back then, whether from the North or South, was racist toward black people in some way. Even President Lincoln. The North simply didn't have "need" of slaves, because they were more industrialized rather than plantation-dependent, and the climate was different. (Don't get me wrong, slavery was a great evil, and a huge blotch on our nation's history. But both sides are to blame.)
If we're going to take down Confederate monuments, we'll need to take down the Union ones as well, to be consistent. Or better yet, just leave them alone. They represent brave men who fought for their families, their people, and their land.
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News Item6/5/2020 4:54 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
There is only one man who did right by all during his walk on this earth. His name is Jesus Christ. Everyone else falls short. That includes me and everyone reading my comments. It is a part of why we need a Redeemer, that same Jesus who reconciles us to the Father. Some of these men, like Lee, were very likely redeemed, just not made perfect. It is difficult to look back from our arm chairs thru history and understand the forces that shaped their decisions, both good and bad. Lee could have led Union forces. He went home instead and wound up leading the Army of Northern Virginia.
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News Item6/5/2020 1:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Mike, comparing the traitor Lee to Lincoln is extreme
Is what I said Lincoln did true or false? A one word answer should suffice.
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News Item6/5/2020 1:32 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, This racist was not a nice man.
Only because he was a racist, right? Then the Lincoln Memorial should be torn down too, for he did not believe blacks were equal to white men either, only that they should not be enslaved. Some of your black radicals are Lincoln-bashers, as he didn't meet their standards of righteousness. Funny how both political extremes hate Lincoln.

Lee was part of our history, like him or not. He should be remembered realistically, just as people remember Erwin Rommel, a nice and able general who also supported a racist regime. Nice people can be dangerous.

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News Item6/5/2020 1:17 PM
Michael Hranek | from outside the Clinic  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Good for Notham
Dearest Jim,
Perhaps you have genuinely forgotten
Said Governor's stand for abortion
(hint: I guess black babies lives (or white ones too) don't matter so much to him)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

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News Item6/5/2020 10:29 AM
Gay M Allen | wisconsin  Find all comments by Gay M Allen
off topic but have you seen this?

PA Health Secretary Twists Himself Into a Pretzel Trying to Justify Limitless BLM Protests While Standing by COVID-19 Restrictions For Small Businesses (VIDEO)

https://tinyurl.com/yay9xxgs

this covid-19 is a scam, if they can have massive marches and not stop them for endangering health but arrest church goers

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News Item6/5/2020 10:10 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Thanks for the info on white nationalism, Jim. I’m sure all of us noticed how many of the looters in various cities are wearing Klan robes. Oh, did I say “looters?” How insensitive of me! I meant to say undocumented shoppers.
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News Item6/5/2020 10:05 AM
Icon buster  Find all comments by Icon buster
Greetings wrote:
If they think that Lee’s statue is going to come to life and begin strapping handcuffs on people, then they are wrong.
Has Johnuk John Lee got a statue now
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News Item6/5/2020 9:44 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Robert Farley wrote:
In an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken just after the Charlottesville rally in August 2017, 9 percent of the respondents said they thought it was strongly or somewhat acceptable to hold neo–Nazi or white supremacist views. As ABC News reported at the time, that’s equivalent to about 22 million Americans.

Rise in Propaganda/Rallies

The Anti-Defamation League, meanwhile, reports that white supremacy groups have stepped up their propaganda efforts.
“ADL’s Center on Extremism (COE) continues to track an ever-growing number of white supremacist propaganda efforts, including the distribution of racist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic fliers, stickers, banners and posters,” according to a recent ADL report. “The 2018 data shows a 182% increase of incidents from the previous year, with 1,187 cases reported, compared to 421 in 2017.”
The group said that level of activity far exceeded any of its previous distribution counts.

excerpt from,"The Facts on White Nationalism"

https://tinyurl.com/y3e32h82

Many years ago I subscribed to Atlantic Monthly just as a balance to the right-wing drivel that I got from other sources, Adriel. This is the reason I re-subscribedto it❗👎

Mike, comparing the traitor Lee to Lincoln is extreme

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News Item6/5/2020 9:00 AM
Humble One | Humble, OK  Find all comments by Humble One
And what about the statue of the Confederate Soldier that stands in the middle of a busy intersection--US One and another street--in busy downtown Alexandria Virginia?
I will bet throughout the Old South there are many other monuments to Confederate soldiers. I think the highway leading from Arlington, Virginia into Washington DC was called the Jefferson Davis Highway. Anyone who has an old map or book of maps can find this.
It sounds like what his going on is similar to what happened in China during Chairman Mao Tse Tung's Cultural REvolution.
Already the churches have been closed, next is to come after those who do not agree with the Prevailing Leftist Views on any subject--guns, immigration, race.
At least I will applaud the launch of Space X by the company led by an African American, Elon Musk!
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News Item6/5/2020 7:08 AM
Greetings | Over the Rainbow  Find all comments by Greetings
Dr. Tim from Way Down Yonder writes:
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Guv replaces the Confederate statues with carvings of Marx, Stalin and Mao. No doubt Komrade Lincolnovitch would heartily concur.

Amen!

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News Item6/5/2020 7:03 AM
Greetings | Over the Rainbow  Find all comments by Greetings
If they think that Lee’s statue is going to come to life and begin strapping handcuffs on people, then they are wrong.
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