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FRONT PAGE  |  7/11/2020
SUNDAY, MAY 24, 2020  |  26 comments
Dershowitz: 'Anti-vaxxers' misuing the Bible
Renowned civil libertarian Alan M. Dershowitz reacted Friday to Bible-citing critics of his contention that the Constitution gives the state the power to forcibly vaccinate citizens to curb an infectious disease.

"Anti-vaxxers are free to cite science, philosophy, law — but do not miscite the Bible or God," he wrote in a column for the Gatestone Institute, where he serves as a senior fellow. "It is irreligious and insults the intelligence of those who have actually studied the Bible by assuming, as many do, that the Bible opposes everything they oppose."

The debate began Sunday when the famed Harvard Law School emeritus professor said in an interview the state has the power to forcibly "plunge a needle into your arm," as WND reported in a story linked by the Drudge Report. On Wednesday, Dershowitz told Fox News' Tucker Carlson that "one can make a plausible argument that nobody should be ...


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News Item5/28/2020 7:11 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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excerpt from,"Europe's Covid predicament – how do you solve a problem like the anti-vaxxers?"
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The article didn't suggest it but perhaps the Andy vaxxers should sign a release form, saying they do not want to be hospitalized, if they get the virus so that Hospital space and supplies will go to people who wanted the help in the first place?
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There is no Covid predicament as regards vaccine. There is no vaccine. Is this too difficult, or do we need more creativity in anticipation thereof?

As to the pejorative term "anti-vaxxer" this is just your way to describe those old-fashioned types who still value liberty. You know, like deciding what will be put into their bodies? It's to be expected of one such as yourself, Jim, considering you call pro-life people "anti-abortion." So at least you are consistent in promoting corrupt values by using negative words and phrases for support. This is too easy. Says a lot about you, though.

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News Item5/28/2020 5:26 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
HerbalMama wrote:
You're a promoter of snake oil. Take the vaccines if you want them. Long term safety studies have not be conducted because the CDC deems them "unethical." Ironically, it's unethical to promise sonething works and effects very few people without actually being able to back that up scientifically. Finding peer reviewed studies that are not bought out is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack. People are not guinea pigs. Freedom of medicine, even in a pandemic, is a right guaranteed by God. Our bodies do not belong to the government. They are not Ceasars therefore we don't have to render them to him or any of your other conmen, Jim. Any safety studies done on a covid19 vaccine will have been super limited. The data is incomplete. A dangerous thing to bet your life on especially when the virus has a 99% survival rate. The cure is worse than the disease.
Sorry, a better link here to the talk

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermon/5262021416301

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News Item5/28/2020 2:23 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
HerbalMama wrote:
You're a promoter of snake oil. Take the vaccines if you want them. Long term safety studies have not be conducted because the CDC deems them "unethical." Ironically, it's unethical to promise sonething works and effects very few people without actually being able to back that up scientifically. Finding peer reviewed studies that are not bought out is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack. People are not guinea pigs. Freedom of medicine, even in a pandemic, is a right guaranteed by God. Our bodies do not belong to the government. They are not Ceasars therefore we don't have to render them to him or any of your other conmen, Jim. Any safety studies done on a covid19 vaccine will have been super limited. The data is incomplete. A dangerous thing to bet your life on especially when the virus has a 99% survival rate. The cure is worse than the disease.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?DateOnly=true&currSection=sermonsdate&keyword=Tuesday%5FMay%5F26%2C%5F2020&dateBegin=5%2F26%2F2020&dateEnd=5%2F27%2F2020
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News Item5/27/2020 11:42 PM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
You're a promoter of snake oil. Take the vaccines if you want them. Long term safety studies have not be conducted because the CDC deems them "unethical." Ironically, it's unethical to promise sonething works and effects very few people without actually being able to back that up scientifically. Finding peer reviewed studies that are not bought out is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack. People are not guinea pigs. Freedom of medicine, even in a pandemic, is a right guaranteed by God. Our bodies do not belong to the government. They are not Ceasars therefore we don't have to render them to him or any of your other conmen, Jim. Any safety studies done on a covid19 vaccine will have been super limited. The data is incomplete. A dangerous thing to bet your life on especially when the virus has a 99% survival rate. The cure is worse than the disease.
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News Item5/27/2020 10:36 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The article didn't suggest it but perhaps the Andy vaxxers should sign a release form, saying they do not want to be hospitalized, if they get the virus so that Hospital space and supplies will go to people who wanted the help in the first place?
Perhaps the article didn't mention it because it makes no sense..... Why would those who were vaccinated need hospital help? Are you suggesting that a vaccine will not be 100% effective? And if not.... how effective? 80%...... 60%...... 40%......

Would you take it if it were only as effective as the annual flu cocktail?

Or don't you even care as long as the experts tell you to take it just because they said so?

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News Item5/27/2020 8:24 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I see that many of
Anyway, a good, short article❗👍
It may be a short artical. But i award you no points and those who did read it were none the wiser may GOD have mercy on your soul.
Why does the world flesh and the devil hate anti vaxxers so much. Why are they excluded from the public debate.Could it be could it, because they know whats in the vaccines aduvants and ad herbal mumma said THE actual law states they shall be not liable if something goes wrong! That mean you have to prove they did it on purpose, that means if something goes wrong they can say they didnt know this would happen, and they are free not liable. Money is the root and Eugenics is Darwins god
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News Item5/27/2020 6:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I see that many of you have resisted to look at the article that I gave a URL for in the quotation that I had so,
Philip Oltermann wrote:
The alliance of anti-vaxxers, neo-Nazi rabble-rousers and esoteric hippies, which has in recent weeks been filling town squares in cities such as Berlin, Vienna and Zurich is starting to trouble governments as they map out scenarios for re-booting their economies and tackling the coronavirus long term.

Even before an effective vaccine against Covid-19 has been developed, national leaders face a dilemma: should they aim to immunise as large a part of the population as possible as quickly as possible, or does compulsory vaccination risk boosting a street movement already prone to conspiracy theories about “big pharma” and its government’s authoritarian tendencies?

excerpt from,"Europe's Covid predicament – how do you solve a problem like the anti-vaxxers?"

https://tinyurl.com/y7rg99za

The article didn't suggest it but perhaps the Andy vaxxers should sign a release form, saying they do not want to be hospitalized, if they get the virus so that Hospital space and supplies will go to people who wanted the help in the first place?

Anyway, a good, short article❗👍

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News Item5/27/2020 10:36 AM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
What vaccines were originally and what they are now are two different things. Mass production and greed took what utilized the body's naturals response and turned into a huge money maker that is quite deadly for some.
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News Item5/27/2020 10:35 AM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
Ever heard of the cutter incident, Jim? Maybe people are just tired of being guinea pigs. No vaccine on the market, including the covid19 one when it emerges, has undergone any kind of safety testing. Why would they need to? Manufacturers can't be held liable for any adverse reactions.
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News Item5/27/2020 8:18 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dershowitz is old enough to know what polio is.

Linda Rodriguez McRobbie wrote:
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With the decline of the disease, and the visual reminders of it hidden away in a handful of homes and care facilities, across much of the western world the terror of polio faded from collective memory. “You can’t believe how many people walked into my law office,” Paul said, “and saw my iron lung and said: ‘What is that?’ And I’d tell them: ‘It’s an iron lung.’ ‘What does it do?’ ‘Breathe for me.’ ‘Why?’ ‘I got polio when I was little.’ ‘What’s polio?’ Uh oh.” David Oshinsky, the author of Polio: An American Story, believes that the success of vaccines in eradicating so many deadly diseases is precisely why the anti-vaxx movement
https://tinyurl.com/y7rg99za
has gained ground in recent years. “These vaccines have done away with the evidence of how frightening these diseases were,” he told me....
excerpt from, "The man in the iron lung"

https://tinyurl.com/y7qzqz9o

This article was called a long read❗ It is and also quite interesting.👍

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News Item5/25/2020 3:41 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
I have a lot of respect for Dershowitz's knowledge of constitutional law but of the bible, not so much.

In a feeble attempt to refute the outcry of many Christians opposing his view that the government has the right to force vaccinate for the safety of the many, he claims Leviticus 13-14 establishes the right of the government.

First, those chapters speak to what we would now call quarantine.

Secondly, the OT priesthood, which had the power and Divine authority to put the unclean into quarantine, has not been replaced by the federal government. That priesthood no longer exists but has been replaced with the priesthood of believers.

Smart as he is, Dershowitz should not speak of that which he is obviously ignorant.

That said, I believe his argument that the government has the right to forcibly vaccinate, provided it is proved safe, fails the constitutional test as well. His position is that the right of the people end when they endanger the lives of other. His answer.... vaccinate everyone, forcibly if needed. But that would include people who do not have the virus and may in fact already be immune and therefore do not threaten the safety of others. No way to prove who endangers other's lives without immunity testing. If that were proposed I may agree.

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News Item5/24/2020 10:44 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Mr. Dershowitz missed that we are to follow the Lord, not the dictates of rulers when they conflict with the Lord, i.e. Daniel and the king's dainties. Depending on how the vaccine is created and whether or not it uses aborted children parts in the process or any other thing regarding this vaccine, we Christians will have to opt out should those lines be crossed.
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News Item5/24/2020 10:43 PM
cv  Find all comments by cv
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Emily Shugman wrote:
The stem cells used in vaccine development come from two fetuses aborted more than 50 years ago
Good one Jim, I guess that ought to prove to those "far right anti vaxer's" that there's no aborted fetuses?

Jim, where you and Obama hang off, EVERYTHING is far right because there's nothing to the left of you.

Your lefty socialist friends could make a pretty good case for fetus use though, if they could show that it's to culture brain cells. They could make that case. Just don't cite the bible. Cause the extreme lefties are laughable when they wade into the bible. Look at Dershowitz, he cites Leviticus where priest could isolate a contagious person, and connects that to forcibly take a healthy person and jab them. And this guy argues in the courts?
He should've cited a test case instead, like roe v wade, which handed us "my body my choice."

And JIm, no such thing as "anti vexer." Its not mandatorily enforced on others.

Oh and I read the book Jim, it says you, Obama, Gates, et all have a free run of the Earth. Lay off the Cheeto's and read the book. You lefties have it pretty good. Just don't turn the page though, it doesn't end well.

You could give Obama the boot and join the winning side.

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News Item5/24/2020 7:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mr. P wrote:
Jim's satanic hero bill gates gushes about depopulating the earth by 10-15% with proper "vaccines and heathcare"! He said this at a Ted Talk about 5 yrs ago! Research it.
What little we can do with medicine is better than not doing anything at all

Luke 10:34-36

34. came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the host, and said to him, ‘Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.’ 36. Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?”

Barnes Bible commentary wrote:
​Verse 34. Pouring in oil and wine. These were often used in medicine to heal wounds. Probably they were mingled together, and had a highly sanative quality. How strikingly is his conduct contrasted with the priest and Levite! and how particularly as well as beautifully by this does our Saviour show what we ought to do to those who are in circumstances of need!...
https://tinyurl.com/y947hpld (No, Bill Gates did not outline 2018 plan to depopulate the planet)
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News Item5/24/2020 5:26 PM
Citizen | USA  Find all comments by Citizen
I cite the 2nd amendment!
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News Item5/24/2020 4:19 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
Contact tracing to a town near you...
https://youtu.be/Fbvn2ZYk-pI
All videos posted by me are just reference only i dont know them but are usefull as those that trust pbs and M.main S.straim M.media are just plain FALSE prophets of the Jusuit order the msm are illusionist like 911 like virus theology lying wonders just as the bible said would happen.

They that sighed and cryed found Grace in the wilderness those that were proud....without natural affections....
Thank God for the prodigal son and the saved son they both need MERCY. The first Adam had a choice failed the Last Adam in Us has a choice mark of the beast and live in this life or Choose in Christ because your in the Vine without which you can do nothing. Loose your life gain eternity...I am glad uk john wont take it BECAUSE sola scripture but because it might not be right thats fine with me. Weak but still good. But Un...servant. hope you know what you are doing..psalm 91
Dont put your trust in alchemy they just have 1 crown but trust in the one who has many crowns and a two edged SWORD blood lots of it..Revelation 14:12
[12]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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News Item5/24/2020 12:24 PM
Scarecrow  Find all comments by Scarecrow
In the UK we had a national news headline in Feb 2018 'Killer Flu' informing of a record number of deaths for one month (January) and an increase of 42%. 64 thousand deaths, yet no national emergency. No panic, hysteria or lockdown. It hardly made the news.

We have 30-60 struck by lightening each year.

So far in the under 40's group 35 people have died of COVID.

Under 14 you have a one in 5,300,000 chance.

Over 90 it is down to 1 in 81.

A gambling man believing in chance, who at 90 rides a motorbike to Walmart for his heart prescription pills and 'killer' sugary snacks will take those odds, every single time. Remember he is already 90 with a weak heart and on a motorbike!

Scaremongering and misinformation is increasing here in the UK, but the facts don't back up an epidemic of extreme anxiety.

Where's the risk in returning to school without social distancing? You are more likely to be struck by lightening on the journey. Where do I buy a tin foil hat and a protective suit to keep me safe from lightening?

Ironically it is the person in lockdown with the mask and suit that says I am paranoid for simply seeking the facts!

We are all a heartbeat from death, an appointment we will all keep, but the stats in the UK say it most probably won't be via COVID

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News Item5/24/2020 11:49 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Well I said something similar to this once before and it was misinterpreted, but I will try again. It doesn’t make any difference to me whether or not the state mandates anything for me. If they tell me to do something that I believe is against the word of God, then I will not only disobey, but I am obligated to disobey whatever they tell me to do.

In the world we live in that will likely result in some type of punishment. But what an honor it would be to suffer for the sake of Christ and His word. Persecution is something that most in America do not experience.

So, if I believe that vaccines are wrong, then I won’t take one and I will argue against them. If I believe they serve a health purpose and they are not against scripture, then I will take one.

The government does have power and authority to protect its citizens; e.g. the military, police, building codes and on and on. Each of us will decide when to obey and when not to.

Personal experience. When I went into the military they mandated that I get certain shots from pretty much day one. Had I not taken those shots, I would have been discharged immediately. The same thing when I went to Germany and then later to VN. Yes, they had the authority to do that.

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News Item5/24/2020 3:54 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Chrisgp from England wrote:
This is indeed very worrying ...
The problem with more modern vaccines like the combined mumps, measles and rubella (which came out after I passed my childhood), and most particularly the proposed COVID19 vaccine, (at least the version of it as pushed by Bill Gates, though there may be other more innocuous versions being worked on) is what is in them, and what is accompanying them, re:- track and trace.
Tragically people like Bill Gates have put things in their vaccines from aborted babies, sterilising agents as in Kenya, India and so on (this is proven), and are now using them to track and trace people as a form of id. Dershowitz is a wolf in the sheepfold, as Gatestone Institute is normally a conservative publication. Very dangerous!!
Also it has been stated that flu vaccines having been prepared with dog fetal material carry by default Covid virues which are innate in that species.
Covids lay latent in the individual till he comes in contact with the eviromental germ to take on the infecting toil.
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News Item5/24/2020 3:42 AM
PS | USA  Find all comments by PS
Nope!
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