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FRONT PAGE  |  3/8/2021
Choice News FRIDAY, MAY 22, 2020  |  17 comments  |  1 commentary
Trump Orders Immediate Reopening of Places of Worship
President Donald Trump ordered Friday the immediate reopening of churches that have been closed for weeks amid the coronavirus pandemic.

"If they don't do it, I will override the governors," Trump said in brief remarks at the White House on Friday after days of signaling that he planned to call for the reopening. "In America we need more prayer, not less."

Trump didn't take answers from reporters and it's unclear what authority he would exert to overstep governors.


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News Item6/1/2020 11:14 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
Maybe he thinks the various governors are God's people.

Could be. TDS does funny things to some people.

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News Item6/1/2020 3:55 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lurker wrote:
No doubt you have no love of Trump as your bias shows in your nonsensical post. Trump didn't order Christians to return to churches.... he ordered states to lift the shutdown of places of worship..... to designate them as essential. Do you have a problem with that?
Maybe he thinks the various governors are God's people.
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News Item6/1/2020 3:17 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Anony wrote:
Who is he to order God's people to do anything?
No doubt you have no love of Trump as your bias shows in your nonsensical post. Trump didn't order Christians to return to churches.... he ordered states to lift the shutdown of places of worship..... to designate them as essential. Do you have a problem with that?
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News Item6/1/2020 2:48 PM
Anony | Wicked World  Find all comments by Anony
Who is he to order God's people to do anything? Is he now the vicar of the church?I know that some pastors/Christians will lavish him with empty accolades. But this is close to blasphemy. And to think that he does not attend any church,not to the public's knowledge, is hypocritical IF he's a worshiper at all. When we open our eyes, we'll discover that we are losing our freedom to one paving the road to fascism, authoritarianism, and dictatorship. But he is doing a marvelous job by putting an end to funding abortions. I have a friend who has 27 siblings. He is in his seventies and got converted about seven years ago. No joke. He raised hell before his conversion; infected probably hundreds with loose living. He recently said, "I love my brothers and sisters too much to unknowingly infect them with a virus I might possibly have." So will Trump's next move be to seek out Christians who will not go to church? Or, does this "order" apply only to pastors? Listen, fools make a mockery of sin. So why do we think Trump is really for God's will to be done? Is it to cause division between church and state, or the governors and the president? Will they fear him because of public shame the president often subjects his opponents to?
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News Item5/30/2020 9:00 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
excerpt from,"Divided Supreme Court Rejects Churches on Covid Restrictions"
https://tinyurl.com/yd3gpdqx
So discrimination on the basis of the purpose of a meeting is ok? Pathetic. Again, Chief Justice John Roberts, who gave us "gay marriage" switches to the lawless liberal end of the court. Now the church understands the futility of suing a government in a government court.
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News Item5/30/2020 8:31 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Greg Stohr wrote:
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Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court’s liberals in a 5-4 majority in the California case, refusing to exempt a San Diego church from crowd limits imposed by the state. Roberts said judges must give elected officials wide latitude to make health and safety judgments during a pandemic....
excerpt from,"Divided Supreme Court Rejects Churches on Covid Restrictions"

https://tinyurl.com/yd3gpdqx

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News Item5/23/2020 6:33 PM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
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News Item5/23/2020 6:13 PM
hey_yo | North East  Find all comments by hey_yo
Boy Trump sure took his sweet time with this one.
He probably got tired of the Charismatic magicians, astrologers, sorcerers, and soothsayers shrieking in his ear about their merchandise ministries that are losing cash by not being open.
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News Item5/23/2020 5:12 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
PBS NewsHour wrote:
Judy Woodruff:
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Mark, the president told the governors that, if they don't go along with this, he's going to override them, although it's not clear he has the authority to do that....

Mark Shields:
...the reality is that the biggest concern has been gatherings of 10 or more people. And churches frequently involve a lot more than 10 people in close quarters. And they also have that problem with separation....

David Brooks:
....It's a pretty naked attempt to try to appeal to evangelical voters. Churches happen to be one of the places where we have seen a lot of super spreading. One of the Korean churches was in — early in — was one of the worst things that happened. And so that's — it's just foolish.
The second foolishness is that a national policy here is just not a good policy. This is very context-specific. This virus is very decentralized. It hits one place, it doesn't hit another.
So, every decision that should be made, in my view, should be at the local possibilist level. And so Trump is just — it's just politics.....

excerpt from,"Shields and Brooks on Trump’s call to reopen, mail-in voting"❗👍🛐

https://tinyurl.com/y9s723uh

States rights? QC, that's an interesting argument. Only Evangelicals use that❗

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News Item5/23/2020 4:42 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
The President could use the First Amendment language & state that he is restoring the rights of individuals and churches to meet but perhaps within certain guidelines set by the states, then leave it up to the individual churches to open in a manner they seem appropriate and safe based on guidelines. I support that kind of rationale.
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News Item5/23/2020 1:06 AM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
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News Item5/23/2020 12:37 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
T.H.b.C.C. So do you believe America is Babylon. I believe this too, to a point. BUT Rome trumps THIS. I dont think we can be right in everything but God. Early 300 onwards church had some thing that seem strange, but still believers? Keep up the good work.
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News Item5/23/2020 12:20 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
Hmmm.
Work....love your work it did say, but it cut it off (work)due to me only have 1300 words, it seems i have 2 cut out 100 or so letter of yours to fit my words in.
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News Item5/23/2020 12:09 AM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
WITH A LAST-NAME LIKETRUMPFOUND AT LEAST TWICE IN THE TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE IT WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN:
"FOR IF THE TRUMP[ET] GIVE AN UNCERTAIN SOUND, WHO SHALL PREPARE HIMSELF TO BATTLE ?"-1 CORINTHIANS 14:8
ESPECIALLY, IF IT'S +THE TRUMP OF GOD+++ &-OR HIS +TRUMPETERS+ !
ALBEIT, WHEN BABYLON FALLS, THERE'LL NO LONGER BE ANY TRUMP, TRUMPS, TRUMPETERS &-0R TRUMPETINGS IN BABYLON:
"AND THE VOICE OF HARPERS, AND MUSICIANS, AND OF PIPERS, AND TRUMPETERS, SHALL BE HEARD NO MORE AT ALL IN THEE; AND NO CRAFTSMAN, OF WHATSOEVER CRAFT HE BE, SHALL BE FOUND ANY MORE IN THEE; AND THE SOUND OF A MILLSTONE SHALL BE HEARD NO MORE AT ALL IN THEE;"-REV 18:22
Q: AND WHY ?
A: "FOR THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT,
+++THE TRUMP OF GOD+++: AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST:
THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE, AND REMAIN, SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD.
WHEREFORE, COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH
THESE WORDS."-1 THESSALONIANS 4:16-18
"NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER; AS THE MANNER OF SOME IS; BUT EXHORTING ONE ANOTHER: AND SO MUCH THE MORE, AS YE SEE THE DAY
APPROACHING."-HEBREWS 10:25 ! ! !
Love your
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News Item5/22/2020 10:50 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Oh, they'll scream bloody murder, Mike. Their state's rights are under attack! Oh, the horror! Cuomo should put on quite the show.

Delaware, I heard, has quite the solution. They allowed churches to open maybe last weekend with a small proportion of the capacity and less than an hour of service permitted. So you might be able to show up, but not too many, and don't even stay an hour -- I haven't been in a morning service that short at a descent church in many years. No idea how its going there but one has to wonder.

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News Item5/22/2020 8:44 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Quite right QC. It seems clear the only authority the president has is to refer to the First Amendment. I hope he does. If a governor can say how and when worship services may be conducted in the meeting house, or in the parking lot, then it's plain it has become a State approved church. The libs always say they are for separation of church and State, though they know little of what that is. Let's see how they squirm out of this one.
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News Item5/22/2020 7:59 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The President could use the First Amendment language & state that he is restoring the rights of individuals and churches to meet but perhaps within certain guidelines set by the states, then leave it up to the individual churches to open in a manner they seem appropriate and safe based on guidelines. I support that kind of rationale.
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