Churches should obey those in authority, says Franklin Graham
Franklin Graham has waded into the row over whether churches should be forced to close because of the coronavirus pandemic.
With many areas in the US subject to "stay at home" orders, some church leaders have insisted on continuing to hold in-person services despite the outbreak.
The evangelist and son of Billy Graham has said that pastors should, in his opinion, obey those in charge.
Speaking to conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, Graham said that the Church still "needs to continue to be the Church", but added that the closure of buildings was not the same thing as the closure of church....
Jim; You sure are consistent on pushing your Socialist Comrade Kingdom ways on these threads. Sprinkle in a little jesus here & there, but the Jesus you sprinkle in. Is another Jesus taken out of His context & character, accordingly to Scriptures Alone!
Spurgeon; Many a man has died from internal bleeding, & yet there has been no wound whatever to be seen by the eye. You may go to hell as well dressed in the garnishings of morality as in the rags of immorality. Unless the very center of your soul & the core of your being be made obedient to the living God, He willnâ€™t accept you, for He looks nâ€™t only to your outward condition, but to your heartâ€™s secret loyalty or treachery toward Himself.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Why, Timothy, Ariel has already answered your questionâť— excerpt from,"President Is Winning His War on American Institutions" https://tinyurl.com/qoqgoy9 a longer article than the above snippet might indicate. Is quite good.
Here's a snippet for you, Jim. The war on American institutions has been fought by your lefty friends for years. They continue to fight it on this new front of covid19/shut down America. They hope beyond hope to extend it through the election.
Why, Timothy, Ariel has already answered your questionâť—
George Packer wrote: .... ...a simple intuition had propelled Trump throughout his life: Human beings are weak. They have their illusions, appetites, vanities, fears. They can be cowed, corrupted, or crushed. A government is composed of human beings. This was the flaw in the brilliant design of the Framers, and Trump learned how to exploit it. The wreckage began to pile up. He needed only a few years to warp his administration into a tool for his own benefit. If heâ€™s given a few more years, the damage to American democracy will be irreversible....
excerpt from,"President Is Winning His War on American Institutions"
a longer article than the above snippet might indicate. Is quite good.
The trouble with politicians is that they are all too human, mortal, sinner, blind, ignorant and alienated from the life of God.
But we must maintain a semblance of order as ordained by God.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. "
Even though::- " ... Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness." Eph 4:17ff
Then .... "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29.
"God moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform;" (W.Cowper)
We should always listen to those in authority, to the degree they actually have authority. Since we are at least by written law a nation of laws and not of men, then men in authority cannot have authority over the laws they are subject to. There is no lawful authority granted to a single branch of government that allows them to bypass the other branches, nor to arrogate to themselves power not granted by those they serve.
The government is distinct from the church both in Scripture and the Constitution, and while it can warn of danger, it has no right to impose rules over it. It's fine to cry 'Wolf', and so we follow proper precautions. But when while doing so we continue to discover no wolf in our particular neighborhood, there comes a point where we take responsibility and say 'thanks but no thanks' But Doug Wilson says it better: https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/romans-13-and-the-covid-19-virus.html
But, all of us would agree that there are instances when Christians should disobey authorities. IOW, if I believe the authorities are telling me to do something that in my mind is sinful, then I have an obligation to obey what the Lord is telling me to do.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
For full disclosure. There is absolutely nothing that FG could say that would have any meaning or value to me.
Iâ€™m really impressed, Jim. You agree with â€śFrankieâ€ť for once, but the temptation to slam Mr Trump is simply overwhelming, isnâ€™t it? I think itâ€™s great that we live in a country where a manâ€”and I use that word with some reservationsâ€”whose greatest responsibility is walking to the refrigerator can devote his entire being to criticizing another man who has the toughest job in the world. Youâ€™re a real piece of work, Senor Lincoln.
I'm really surprised; this is one of the few times I can agree with Frankieâť—đź‘Ť I see and another thread that SA put up today there's three church leaders who did not want to obay the California governor. đź‘Ž
Yamiche Alcindor wrote: The president is essentially saying that this â€” he's not really ordering the states anymore.
On a call with governors, he's saying now that they're the ones calling the shots. Those were his exact words. So, what we're seeing here is the president really backing away from the idea that he's going to be forcing governors and states to make decisions. Instead, he's saying, I'm going to allow them to make their own decisions.
The other thing I should note is that there's a big idea now within the administration to ramp up testing, because so many people, executives and state officials, still say that testing in this country is not where it needs to be and that there's still large numbers of people who can't get tests for the coronavirus when they need them....
excerpt from,"Trump offers plan for reopening economy, but states are still worried about testing"