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Trump Cabinet Bible leader blames coronavirus on God's 'wrath'
A minister who has been leading a weekly Bible-study group for members of President Trump's Cabinet has posted online his belief that amid the coronavirus, America is not experiencing God's "forsaking wrath" but, rather, his "consequential wrath."

"Some leading evangelicals believe and teach that America is now experiencing God's judgment," wrote Ralph Drollinger, a former NBA player and the founder of Capitol Ministries, which provides Bible studies, evangelism and discipleship to political leaders.

"If that is the case, as a public servant who is sacrificing so much in your attempt to turn our nation around, it would stand to reason – if those evangelical leaders are correct – that you are wasting your time. Are you laboring against a foregone conclusion? I think not. But let me qualify that: I do not believe America is experiencing the forsaking wrath of God, but yes, America is experiencing ...


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News Item3/28/2020 3:36 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Continued...

He was taught the prefect law at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) and in his words performed it blamelessly (Phl 3:6). But, in so doing, he rejected the righteousness and law of God..... love thy neighbor which fulfills all the law(Gal. 5:14).

The Galatians were being bewitched by certain men of James which were teaching what the RC peddles to this day which Paul summed up the letter in asking.....

Gal.3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

After reading that compare it to Paul's exegesis in Rom 4.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath:

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News Item3/28/2020 3:22 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Mr. Casamento,

Paul addressed the Galatians regarding his own transgression of the law in which he once built in attempt to establish his own righteousness which he counted as dung per Phil 3:8.

Gal. 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

Transgressor of what? The same law spoken of in Rom 4:15 which works wrath.

Gal. 2:19 For I through the law[of the Spirit of Faith in Christ Jesus AKA law of Faith Rom 3:27] am dead to the law[of sin and death], that I might live unto God.

Paul was the pattern(1 Tim. 1:16) which others from the same error of tradition were to follow.

Rom. 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ...that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Before his calling, Paul did the same thing we see to this day in the RCC...faith + works.

Though he loved God (faith) He sought to establish his own righteousness by vigorously performing all the deeds of the Sinai covenant.

He was taught the prefect law at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) and in his words performed it blamelessly (Phl 3:6). But, in so doing, he rejected the righteousness and law o

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News Item3/28/2020 1:32 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
Yes, John, there are many, many verses not only in the New Testament, but in the Old as well, dealing with salvation. Rather than being many different “doors,” they are really different porches that all lead to the one true Door, the Lord Jesus Christ. I think this shows the marvelous graciousness of our Heavenly Father. In case we read or hear one passage of scripture and don’t “get it,” He makes sure there are other passages that we do get.
Too true Dr Tim. It reminded me of the remarkable conversion of Charles Spurgeon, who, as a young man, inadvertently attended a Methodist chapel one snowy night, only to hear a lay preacher struggling with a short message on the text "Look unto me and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else."

Can you imagine any Bible college training men up in evangelism telling them to look at someone in particular in the congregation and saying, "Young man, you look very sad!"

As one rightly said, "Looking to Christ is believing on Christ, is accepting Christ, is receiving him as Saviour, is repenting of sin, is submitting to his Lordship, is being taken up with the Lord Jesus Christ for life."

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News Item3/28/2020 11:49 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Yes, John, there are many, many verses not only in the New Testament, but in the Old as well, dealing with salvation. Rather than being many different “doors,” they are really different porches that all lead to the one true Door, the Lord Jesus Christ. I think this shows the marvelous graciousness of our Heavenly Father. In case we read or hear one passage of scripture and don’t “get it,” He makes sure there are other passages that we do get.
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News Item3/28/2020 11:26 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
True, John. I’m afraid we have turned soul winning into little more than salesmanship. Let there be no conviction, no repentance, no seeing oneself as a wretched, undone sinner on whom the wrath of God abides. If we can just get them to say the “sinner’s prayer,” we have “won” them and can add their tick to our tally. Pfui. I’d rather see one man bawling his eyes out under genuine Holy Ghost conviction than to see a hundred mindlessly mouthing a 1-2-3, repeat-after-me “sinner’s prayer.”
Yes and amen. It's a fact of life that many folks will have been saved through uttering a God-wrought "sinner's prayer", but to formulate it is dangerous and often not helpful. It is the same with Revelation 3:20, usually taken out of context, yet the Lord graciously saves some through the preaching of it.

Whatever HE does is okay with me.

If we were to take all the NT commands concerning salvation, and list them all out, one after another, we would wonder what the gospel was all about. Indeed, some of these things have begun cults, demanding, for example, baptism in water for the remission of sins.

What is really needed, as you say, is a Holy Ghost conviction of sin.

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News Item3/28/2020 11:08 AM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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News Item3/28/2020 10:48 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
True, John. I’m afraid we have turned soul winning into little more than salesmanship. Let there be no conviction, no repentance, no seeing oneself as a wretched, undone sinner on whom the wrath of God abides. If we can just get them to say the “sinner’s prayer,” we have “won” them and can add their tick to our tally. Pfui. I’d rather see one man bawling his eyes out under genuine Holy Ghost conviction than to see a hundred mindlessly mouthing a 1-2-3, repeat-after-me “sinner’s prayer.”
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News Item3/28/2020 9:10 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
John UK wrote, “No Prayer=No Salvation.” I think I would examine that a little more closely, John, as there are many scriptures that promise salvation without any mention of prayer and many biblical examples of people getting saved without praying. Faith is what connects us to the Savior; the praying is merely an expression of the faith that already exists in the heart, as the next verse of Romans 10 makes clear when it asks, “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?”
I quite agree, Doc. Prayer is some evidence of the new birth. If a man tells me he is born again and never prays to God, I discount his profession of faith.

But I am not into formulas for salvation anyway. It is God who saves, and we merely observe the effects of grace in someone's life.

Basically what I'm saying is that when a person is genuinely converted, these three things will always be there: repentance, faith, and prayer.

Now don't forget bro, when I say "prayer" I'm not talking about the stereotyped image people have of prayer, learnt when they attend a church. Prayer is the affections of the heart reaching out for God. It may be silent, but very spiritual.

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News Item3/28/2020 8:59 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John UK wrote, “No Prayer=No Salvation.” I think I would examine that a little more closely, John, as there are many scriptures that promise salvation without any mention of prayer and many biblical examples of people getting saved without praying. Faith is what connects us to the Savior; the praying is merely an expression of the faith that already exists in the heart, as the next verse of Romans 10 makes clear when it asks, “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?”
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News Item3/28/2020 5:35 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Romans 10:8-13 KJV
(8)  But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(9)  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10)  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11)  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12)  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13)  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I think that just about sums it up. But let none ever forget that it is a work of God in the hearts of men, not something that they can conjure up themselves. Does a man believe that Jesus is the Christ? "Flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven".

The words of Jesus still hold true, "Repent ye and believe the gospel". Mark 1:15

No Repentance = No Salvation
No Believing = No Salvation
No Prayer = No Salvation

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News Item3/27/2020 5:25 PM
Carol  Find all comments by Carol
Most of the IFB along with the SBA have this ‘plan of salvation’ in their gatherings.
It is referred to as decisional regeneration by other denominations who do not employ this method.
The Bible calls it another Gospel.
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News Item3/27/2020 5:12 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
Salvation doesn’t come from believing facts with the head, John. It comes from believing truth with the heart. Those who don’t see the difference probably haven’t done the latter.
Dr Tim, do you know where your heart is?
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News Item3/27/2020 5:08 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Salvation doesn’t come from believing facts with the head, John. It comes from believing truth with the heart. Those who don’t see the difference probably haven’t done the latter.
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News Item3/27/2020 4:57 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Greetings fellow saints and inheritors of the heavenly kingdom, by the will of God and his marvellous grace.

This week I had occasion to check on a man who turned out to be a co-founder of a new group of churches which call themselves "New IFB". I listened to a message of his on YouTube, and was rather shocked to hear him say that salvation is simply by believing, never by praying.

So the end result of that is that sinners are told certain facts (uncertain which ones) and then asked if they believe those facts or not. If the answer is yes, they are pronounced saved and can now enjoy their Christian life.

There is something wrong here, and it may be why there is so little repentance in the world today.

"Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13

This crying out to God is far removed from matter-of-fact believing of certain doctrines. You can believe something with no humility, no desire to change your lifestyle, no remorse, no shame, no feeling of guilt, no overwhelming need of forgiveness from Almighty God.

I wonder if this is limited to "New IFB" or whether it has been there all along? A false gospel, false assurance, pseudo-converts, deceived sinners.

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News Item3/27/2020 2:57 PM
McDonald | USA  Find all comments by McDonald
Yes I agree wrath. This nation used to preach and wanted to spread the gospel of Jesus. Now this nation only cares prosperity and the appearance of purity.
Gospel minister divorcing and remarrying 2 times and 3 times. Gospel minsters not praying and fasting. They believe money talks better than prayer.
Missionary work now is a joke.
People still March for lives and march against abortions but they having kids born out of wedlock.

And the worst part that I see that sickens me is how the Christians have lost their love. If some man would come into your church in rags and dirty you would kick him out. You would consider him not be worth your church's time and leave him to die from his drug addiction.

If a liberal blue haired girl came in you would make fun of her and insult her intelligence rather than to preach to her or to pray for her.

If an Muslim man entered your church you would shoot him, rather than to forgive and pray for your enemies.

If an illegal came to your would call ice and deport him and hurl insults at him telling him go back where he came from. Rather than to preach to them you want to condemn them all to hell.

you do not have the love of God. Your youth are spending time with memes and pornagraphy rather than bible verses. This is the Age of A

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News Item3/27/2020 12:28 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Phil Casamento wrote:
@James Thomas. I say this out of love: You are mistaken. The law is the righteousness of God and it is good and holy. Wrath comes upon us for disobedience, that is not to say that the law is wrath. Rather wrath is consequence for not fulfilling all righteousness. Christ fulfilled all righteousness for his people and by grace gives us his righteousness. The law was given for transgression to show us our sinfulness and God's utter holiness, which thereby points us to Jesus Christ the Righteous. Read Roman's 6,7, and 8 for a fuller understanding of the purpose of God's law. And also Galatians 3.
I'm not trying to interject myself but I'm confused by your post. You first said the law is the righteousness of God. Then, by grace we are given his righteousness. And finally, Jesus Christ the Righteous.

So is our risen Lord, Jesus Christ, the law? That seems to be the only conclusion that can be drawn from your comment.

And one other question. What is the wrath of God?

Just looking for some clarity. Thanks.

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News Item3/27/2020 11:37 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
The Law is a reflection of God’s absolute perfection of His holiness. As He doesn’t fall short or miss the mark of absolutel perfection. The Law demands & requires, as that is only found in & through Christ Alone. Since no one is born in a state of neutrality, as one who is outside of Christ has a great dier need for Christ. As He alone is the only one who can satisfy & fulfill the great need one has for Christ, being their sin barrier & mediator Alone. As their is no sanctification outside of Christ, as their is no eternal peace outside of no King but Christ Alone amen!

Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 2:16 knowing that a man isn’t justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ & n’t by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

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News Item3/27/2020 9:09 AM
Phil Casamento | NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Phil Casamento
@James Thomas. I say this out of love: You are mistaken. The law is the righteousness of God and it is good and holy. Wrath comes upon us for disobedience, that is not to say that the law is wrath. Rather wrath is consequence for not fulfilling all righteousness. Christ fulfilled all righteousness for his people and by grace gives us his righteousness. The law was given for transgression to show us our sinfulness and God's utter holiness, which thereby points us to Jesus Christ the Righteous. Read Roman's 6,7, and 8 for a fuller understanding of the purpose of God's law. And also Galatians 3.
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News Item3/27/2020 8:34 AM
James Thomas  Find all comments by James Thomas
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

What’s God’s wrath? The law....not convid-19.

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News Item3/27/2020 7:15 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
https://tinyurl.com/jt9b7hv (What is the biblical understanding of the wrath of God?)

Robert L. (Bob)Deffinbaugh wrote:
....
The wrath of God on the wicked is great. Men deserve it. And there is no escaping it. Men know that the outpouring of wrath is from God, a judgment on them for their sin. And yet not one person repents. The time for repentance is past. Those who chose to reject the sacrifice of Christ for their sins must now be judged according to their works. It is a terrible fate, but one which sinners richly deserve. Divine wrath is not just a phenomenon of the Old Testament; it is a certainty of biblical prophecy. Men are urged to take heed and repent while there is still time to escape the wrath of God by faith in Christ.
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38)....

....

The biblical doctrine of the wrath of God should motivate Christians to evangelize, to warn the lost of the impending wrath of God, and to urge them to be saved....

excerpt from, "...The Wrath of God"❗👍

https://bible.org/seriespage/wrath-god

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