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FRONT PAGE  |  6/5/2020
SUNDAY, MAR 15, 2020  |  17 comments  |  1 commentary
'Dead Sea Scrolls' at the Museum of the Bible are all forgeries
On the fourth floor of the Museum of the Bible, a sweeping permanent exhibit tells the story of how the ancient scripture became the world’s most popular book. A warmly lit sanctum at the exhibit’s heart reveals some of the museum’s most prized possessions: fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient texts that include the oldest known surviving copies of the Hebrew Bible.

But now, the Washington, D.C. museum has confirmed a bitter truth about the fragments’ authenticity. On Friday, independent researchers funded by the Museum of the Bible announced that all 16 of the museum’s Dead Sea Scroll fragments are modern forgeries that duped outside collectors, the museum’s founder, and some of the world’s leading biblical scholars. Officials unveiled the findings at an academic conference hosted by the museum. ...

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News Item5/14/2020 1:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Read the excellent National Geographic article on this fraud that was perpetrated on the Museum of the Bible. The Museum of the Bible worked hard at getting to the truth of the history of their Dead Sea scroll fragments❗👍 (A Journey for the Truth: Investigating the Recent Dead Sea Scrolls Fragments)

The following article it's from the Atlantic, it may come as a surprise to some of you but some of their articles are written by fairly conservative Christians. The following I don't think is❓👎 It explains very well how the Greens got into this mess.

Ariel Sabar wrote:
Scott Carroll may have claimed that Obbink had “no agenda whatsoever,” but in fact Obbink had several. He was acting as a scholar, an adviser, and a seller: The first owed allegiance to the truth, the second to his clients, the third to his own bottom line....
excerpt from,"A Biblical Mystery at Oxford---A renowned scholar claimed that he discovered a first-century gospel fragment. Now he’s facing allegations of antiquities theft, cover-up, and fraud."


News Item3/21/2020 3:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Very true Jonathan O
Richard Luscombe wrote:
•Washington museum hired experts to examine purchases

•Artefacts came from controversial ‘Post-2002’ collection....
The exposure of the fakes does not affect the authenticity of the genuine Dead Sea Scrolls. The oldest known pieces of the original Hebrew bible, dating from about 400BC to 300AD, were discovered rolled in clay pots in caves in Palestine’s West Bank in the 1940s.

But it casts doubt on almost every piece of the so-called Post-2002 fragments, a collection of about 70 items that entered the market in the early years of this century...

“Notwithstanding the less than favorable results, we have done what no other institution with post-2002 fragments has done,” said Dr Jeffrey Kloha, the chief curatorial officer.

“The sophisticated and costly methods employed to discover the truth about our collection could be used to shed light on other suspicious fragments and perhaps even be effective in uncovering who is responsible for these forgeries.”

excerpt from," 'Dead Sea Scrolls fragments' at Museum of the Bible are all fakes, study says"


News Item3/16/2020 11:33 PM
Jonathan O | Frozen tundra, La Jara New Mexico  Find all comments by Jonathan O
@Todd from Orlando the "King James Bible" eh?? God told you this where? So Geneva Bible is out!? Ouch!!😆

News Item3/16/2020 1:58 AM
Todd | Orlando  Find all comments by Todd
Idc what any man says God has preserved his word for us in the King James Bible . No man or “recent discovery” will change that .

Psalms 12:6-7
6   The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7   Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


News Item3/15/2020 9:09 PM
possible_useless_commmentary | North  Find all comments by possible_useless_commmentary
And lets not question the Dead Sea Scrolls in Israel.
Those are all completely real.
Trust us.
It's not like we rushed into correcting the Hebrew Text by shoving parts into our new Bibles, right?
[looks over the NIV, NKJV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV and all the rest]


News Item3/15/2020 7:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Michelle Martin wrote:
MARTIN: The original charter called for a different mission. It was explicitly evangelical, which is a particular perspective of Christianity, a perspective - a particular point of view. The original charter stated that the mission was to inspire confidence and the absolute authority and reliability of the Bible. So two questions to that. When did that mission change to broaden the perspective of the mission?

ZEISS: You know, I have to tell you, I really don't know. It was very early on, I'm told. But I've only been here since January of this year. I think they came up with that because the Green family, they happen to be evangelicals, and that's certainly their choice. And so they wanted to do what they thought fit within their own belief system. But they very quickly figured out, wait a minute, this Bible is the foundation for many faith traditions and many religions so we need to broaden that. And that's what they did....

excerpt from,"Museum Of The Bible Mission Shifts 'To Engage All People' In The History And Narrative"


News Item3/15/2020 7:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, the Museum of the Bible had to shift its mission ❗ If the Greens hadn't changed their mission the powers that be wouldn't even let this museum be built Washington DC.

Read the intro, actually the whole dissertation if you have the time of, ("Heal Their Land": Evangelical Political Theology
From the Great Awakening to the Moral Majority)

The secular establishment was suspicious of the Greens. If they wanted to build in Washington DC they had to be ecumenical.


News Item3/15/2020 4:54 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Actually, we don't know a lot about it either, Brother. There was a big hub-bub about it when it was under construction and being opened. For folks taking kids to see the sights in Washington DC, it's considered one of those high priority places to see on many online lists. Most of what we have heard, which is all from the one friend we have who went to see it, was negative. He felt that they missed an important opportunity to share the Gospel but instead had a friendly connection to Rome. Our friend is a former
RC, and takes all such connections very, very seriously. But haven't laid eyes on the place myself and right now have no plans to do so. If we are going to travel, would rather go see Ken Ham's Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. But with COVID-19, any kind of long distance trip except for an emergency seems out of the question.

News Item3/15/2020 3:46 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Yep, this is another ecumenical religious mausoleum owned by those who went to Rome to get antichrists blessing.🥵

News Item3/15/2020 2:59 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Brother John, I have actually heard your assertion to be the case by a good friend who visited the museum in the last year or so. He was disgusted.
Quiet Brother, does that mean that the Museum of the Bible is supposed to be a Christian or Protestant museum? I know hardly anything about it.

Mike wrote:
Kind of like the experts of "experts say..."
Mike, just as there will always be some leading Bible scholars, so there will also be some leading experts of their field. To disclaim that is going too far, bro.

Of course, as Christians, we do need to discern between experts and pseudo experts, but let's not paint all so-called experts with the same brush.

Adriel wrote:
If they were from 'old Roman shoes' I wonder what happened to the old Roman who was wearing them?
He died, bro.

News Item3/15/2020 2:56 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
From Article:-
""The team’s best guess is that the leather itself is ancient, recovered from scraps found in the Judean desert or elsewhere. One tantalizing possibility is that they come from ancient leather shoes or sandals. One of the fragments has a row of what look like artificially made holes, somewhat similar to those found in Roman-era shoes.""

Someone obviously went to a great deal of trouble to make these forgeries.

Someone who was very skilled at forging too.

If they were from 'old Roman shoes' I wonder what happened to the old Roman who was wearing them?


News Item3/15/2020 2:44 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
There is a word in the UK for "some of the world's leading Bible scholars".
Kind of like the experts of "experts say..."

News Item3/15/2020 2:15 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Brother John, I have actually heard your assertion to be the case by a good friend who visited the museum in the last year or so. He was disgusted.

News Item3/15/2020 1:23 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
danfromtenn wrote:
Here is another huge problem with the museum...
Hi Dan, it effectively makes this museum a Catholic museum.

News Item3/15/2020 9:30 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
There have been facsimiles of these scrolls for many years. They have been viewed by thousands, studied by scholars, and yes, there may have been exact copies made to keep the chance of thievery down. My concern with bible museum is the close tie with Zondervon. If anything that has torn asunder biblical inerrancy, it’s zondervon. The Bible is the very words of God, and you cannot cage the power of God’s words. Or run to the two bit critical text as being the remaining text.

News Item3/15/2020 7:36 AM
danfromtenn | Tennessee  Find all comments by danfromtenn
Here is another huge problem with the museum...


News Item3/15/2020 3:31 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
There is a word in the UK for "some of the world's leading Bible scholars".


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