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TUESDAY, JAN 14, 2020  |  33 comments
Gov’t officials warn against Christian health cost-sharing ministries
Officials in Washington have ordered Trinity Healthshare, one of the nation’s leading Christian health cost-sharing ministries, to permanently stop insuring people in that state and pay a $150,000 fine for failing to meet the legal definition of a healthcare sharing ministry under state law.

“Many consumers here and in other parts of the country thought they were buying a health insurance plan, only to find out that pre-existing and chronic conditions weren’t covered," Washington Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler said in a recent statement. "That resulted in many people facing thousands of dollars of debt for medical expenses they believed would be covered.”

The Christian Post reached out to Trinity Healthshare for comment multiple times for this report but was repeatedly directed to an automated messaging service by representatives. ...


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John UK  Find all comments by John UK
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts and examples, You also have a good day
Thank you brother. I am just so glad that there is no need of medics in heaven, for that there is no ageing, no pain, no afflictions, no infirmities, no death. The former things will have passed away, and there will be a whole new way of living. Every day there will be a good day, praise God!
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News Item1/18/2020 10:01 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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John UK wrote:
Personally I think the National Health Service in the UK is most wonderful, so too is the Fire Service, so too is the Police Force, so too is the Army, Navy and Air Forces. These are all paid for by taxation. How else would you do it?
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Bro US, I have already shown how for some people their medical treatment truly was free, because they were taking out more than they were putting in. Others will put in and take nothing out because they never need it. Therefore some will put in, and others will take out. Car insurance works in exactly the same way; it is compulsory, and some will never claim, others will claim a lot. I might put in £3,000 over ten years and after an accident my insurance company may have to pay out £500,000 to a third party. So I paid the first £3,000 but the rest of it was paid for by others. In other words, not by me.
Thanks for your thoughts and examples, You also have a good day
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John UK  Find all comments by John UK
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Personally I think the National Health Service in the UK is most wonderful, so too is the Fire Service, so too is the Police Force, so too is the Army, Navy and Air Forces. These are all paid for by taxation. How else would you do it?
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Bro US, I have already shown how for some people their medical treatment truly was free, because they were taking out more than they were putting in. Others will put in and take nothing out because they never need it. Therefore some will put in, and others will take out. Car insurance works in exactly the same way; it is compulsory, and some will never claim, others will claim a lot. I might put in £3,000 over ten years and after an accident my insurance company may have to pay out £500,000 to a third party. So I paid the first £3,000 but the rest of it was paid for by others. In other words, not by me.

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Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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B. McCausland wrote:
US
There is no harm if you wish to rant till you are blue about the ills of a welfare system.
However insisting that 'free at the point of use' is not literally true is ridiculous.
We all know it is financed somehow.
You are playing with words to rant on a topic.
Bye.....
None has been a rant on my part. I haven't said, that I can recall, a thing about the ills of a welfare system. My point, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, is that your healthcare is not and never will be free at anytime. You pay for it. However this discussion does seem to be upsetting you, so will let the topic go. Good day day sister.

Adriel appreciate your humor brother, may you also have a good day.

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News Item1/18/2020 4:42 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
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US
There is no harm if you wish to rant till you are blue about the ills of a welfare system.
However insisting that 'free at the point of use' is not literally true is ridiculous.
We all know it is financed somehow.
You are playing with words to rant on a topic.
Bye.....
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News Item1/17/2020 6:37 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
If I pay for a plane ticket online and then print it out and go to the airport to board my plane, when I go through security, the gates and board the plane I don’t pay any money at the point of use
If every journey by aircraft was free and the taxation collected paid for these flights; - Then that would be closer analogy to "free at the point of use."

Individual Paying for every personal procedure at the time of every visit to the doc is different from collective taxation running a national service.

This info is "Free at the point of use."
However you will still have to pay your electric bill to cover it.

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News Item1/17/2020 5:06 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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The NHS, sister BMac is the one playing semantics, not I

If I pay for a plane ticket online and then print it out and go to the airport to board my plane, when I go through security, the gates and board the plane I don’t pay any money at the point of use . Would you say the airline is correct to come out and say my flight was free at the point of use? No, because I paid for it, in your case it is through fees, taxes, NI, at the gas pump,etc. Not free at any point

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News Item1/17/2020 3:10 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
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Deuteronomy 15:11 KJV
(11)  For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

It could be classified as a principle, of which God is the author. Note that God does not grumble about some being poor.

Before the NHS in the UK, only the well-to-do could afford a physician or dentist. The poor of society merely had to suffer their ailments, which often led to an early death. It is still like this in many countries of the world, where money-grubbers will not lift a finger to help the less fortunate.

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Douglas Fir | Land of Pleasant Living  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
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It would be good to hear from more SA posters that use these types of medical plans, esp. older ones who have Medicare.
I think a lot depends on a person's health situation.
A friend told me he attended many meetings at work for pre-retirees and they used to talk about how many more years they would live, once they reached age 65, so they needed to plan financially for that.
Well, as he looked around the room, he could see many obese people, and during breaks, saw a few head outdoors for a smoke. He said he doubted those people needed to plan on a long retirement! Nor the ones with high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol, and many other common diseases.
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News Item1/17/2020 1:34 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
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US
Please focus and annalize what Adriel's statement says:

"free at the point of use" which is true.

We are not dismissing how this is made possible or denying how it is financed, neither its viability.

Sir, it appears you like playing semantics.

Semantics is when we insist in giving a meaning different to the obvious by subterfuge
E. G. Playing semantics is denying that a child can be known also as a kid, a boy or a daughter.
Any of these names does not invalidate the first, but semantics will insist it does in a given setting.

This is what you often do. You give words meaning beyond what they actually have along their own context gearing then into another sense.
Not a good practice.

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Joel | Pensacola  Find all comments by Joel
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What is the real purpose of government anyway? Is it to tuck me in at night? Is it there to feed, clothe, bathe, medicate, finance, and educate me? The way some of you guys are talking one would think so. You are brainwashed by the Liberal Left. The government is not my mommy and daddy. The government is not my bank, my school, my grocery store, and my hospital. It was not originally meant to be any of those. It is the communist agenda that is pushing all that. Look at history.
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News Item1/17/2020 11:16 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Brother not enough time now for a full response. Just to say NI is not the only source of funding for NHS
Sure, it accounts for say 20% and the rest comes from other sources such as income tax.

But what you have to look at is exactly what does the citizen get from the NHS. Once you evaluate that, translate that into what the same would cost if you paid for it privately.

A worker in his first year of paying income tax and NI contributions could have an accident which disables him for life and necessitates an operation which would have cost him £200,000 privately.

Immediately he ceases paying NI contributions and income tax and has access to medical care, dental care, opticians and so on, free.

I don't quite see where you have a problem with that. Would you prefer the worker to die at the age of 17 for lack of medical care which he could not afford?

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News Item1/17/2020 10:54 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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Brother not enough time now for a full response. Just to say NI is not the only source of funding for NHS
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News Item1/17/2020 10:33 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John how many years did you pay into the system and had no prescriptions, no operations, no medical needs because you were in good health?
Bro, I don't know what the words "good health" means.

Let me try to explain. This obviously is not the same for everybody, because not everybody is in need of a health service. In that sense it is no different from an insurance policy.

Now please don't grumble about actual figures, the British guv can furnish you with those. But these won't be far out.

Earners pay NI contributions. This is not voluntary, and the amount can vary. It is from this pot (National Insurance) that the health care system operates.

Let us call it £20 per month.

Therefore over a 10 year period, that person pays £2,400.

During those 10 years, the person had continual access to a medical practitioner 24/7, and could call for an ambulance if they broke their leg or suffered a heart attack. Let us say that in those 10 years, the person had three operations which involved over twenty medics. The private cost of those operations would have been £18,000.

That makes £15,600 worth of operations without any charge. Which in my book means free.

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News Item1/17/2020 10:14 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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John UK wrote:
Brother, I am perfectly well acquainted with how the tax system works in mine own country. What I am saying is that many of the operations I have had personally were free to me. If you still do not get it, I will furnish you with specific amounts and payments etc.
Not wanting you to disclose personal finances on a public site.

John how many years did you pay into the system and had no prescriptions, no operations, no medical needs because you were in good health?

They do the same type of thinking here. My annual physical exam was allegedly free but I can look at the premiums paid and know it wasn't. They offered me a free shingles vaccine for people my age, more than likely a government program. I been paying taxes for nearly half a century.

Brother its a paid for program and they more than likely have received more money from you than they have spent. Your meds and operations were at no additional charge I have no doubt.

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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
It is not free, never has been and never will be.
Brother, I am perfectly well acquainted with how the tax system works in mine own country. What I am saying is that many of the operations I have had personally were free to me. If you still do not get it, I will furnish you with specific amounts and payments etc.
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Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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John UK wrote:
Bro, I have had many operations on the NHS which were absolutely free. I also have free prescriptions here in Wales. You are not thinking deeply enough, brother.
Thanks John for the examples. Despite claims to the contrary not trying to get in a quarrel here. Your operations were not without cost. The doctors were paid and all the other things involved in it cost money. You would say the government (NHS)paid for it. The government gets its money for such things from people like you, Adriel and BMacCausland through fees, high gas prices, taxes,etc. You've been paying into it for decades brother. The NHS isn't a magical money machine. The money that was used to pay for your operations and your prescriptions came from mainly citizens like you who live there. It is not free, never has been and never will be.
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Point is it is not free...
Bro, I have had many operations on the NHS which were absolutely free. I also have free prescriptions here in Wales. You are not thinking deeply enough, brother.
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DF, Carl McIntire has been dead a good many years now. There are huge differences between him, a fighting fundamentalist, and Harold Camping, an outright heretic who recanted and repented on his deathbed. Not saying McIntire was perfect, but he certainly had something to say about this socialistic tendency in Western society, and I'm inclined to accept his views on these matters as valid.
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Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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B. McCausland wrote:
Playing on semantics again, US, or seeking to find a loophole behind a true statement to quarell and rant about for a while?
Though all you say is true, there is no need for it as Adriel's statement is literately true and can stand on its own as veridic a hundred per cent:
Though the service is financed somehow, "nobody needs to pay *at the point of its use*", this is what it literally means "Free at the point of use".
Point is it is not free, never has been nor ever will be. You could accurately say no additional charge at point of use if you wish. We also know that doesn't apply to everything.

Not ranting ir seeking a quarrel, thank you, which you seem to be. Just being truthful. Not picking on Adriel either, the quote is from Wikipedia

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