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FRONT PAGE  |  2/23/2020
TUESDAY, DEC 31, 2019  |  225 comments  |  1 commentary
Parishioner who gunned down Texas church shooter says he's no hero
The pistol-packing parishioner captured on livestream gunning down a man who opened fire inside a Texas church on Sunday morning, killing two members of the congregation, says he doesn't consider himself a hero.

Jack Wilson, a 71-year-old former reserve deputy sheriff, took out the shotgun-wielding suspect with a single shot to the head during services at the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth suburb of White Settlement, police and witnesses said.

"I don't see myself as a hero," Wilson told reporters on Monday. "I see myself as doing what needed to be done to take out the evil threat." ...


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News Item1/10/2020 3:57 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Actually that verse came to mind when I was composing my previous post. Excellent thoughts and a good challenge brother
From the past, and knowing your experience of the scriptures brother, I am not at all surprised.

And I am very glad we have reached a satisfactory conclusion to our discussion. May the Lord indeed increase our faith, that we have something quite potent to pass on to the next generation, rather than a mere form which denies the power. Let us not be a cog in the wheel which tends to the great falling away.

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News Item1/10/2020 12:01 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Actually that verse came to mind when I was composing my previous post. Excellent thoughts and a good challenge brother
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News Item1/10/2020 11:51 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks John and you are welcome for the links.
Thanks for the challenge and admonition May by God's grace and for His glory we pray with the disciples, Lord increase our faith and may we with the Apostle Paul press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus!
God bless.
Amen brother,

And another good prayer for us all to pray is found in this passage:

Mark 9:23-24 KJV
(23)  Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
(24)  And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Here is the paradox, the believer is also an unbeliever; yet Jesus has the answer to even that.

Oh, that prayer meetings might become tearful meetings and multitudes cry out, "Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief!"

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News Item1/10/2020 10:19 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Bro US, thanks for the links, will look up later.
Sure, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against God's elect. This is what Calvinism teaches.
But the Bible also teaches that many will scrape in, rather than enter victoriously. It seems as though the majority want to be scrapers rather than victors.
If you check out Mark 11:21-24, especially the conclusion in v24, tell me, have you ever heard a good message on v24? A message which resulted in an improved prayer life? Or are you happy to go on year in year out doing the same old, same old?
Man, please wake up, this is hard going.
Thanks John and your are welcome for the links.

Thanks for the challenge and admonition May by God's grace and for His glory we pray with the disciples, Lord increase our faith and may we with the Apostle Paul press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus!

God bless.

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News Item1/10/2020 7:13 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Brother John, not sure how the blab it grab group became part of your post. Mind if ask you, do you think that because our Lord stated that the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ’s church that there is always out there a remnant according to the election of grace of true believers who are walking in the light as our Lord is in light?
Bro US, thanks for the links, will look up later.

Sure, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against God's elect. This is what Calvinism teaches.

But the Bible also teaches that many will scrape in, rather than enter victoriously. It seems as though the majority want to be scrapers rather than victors.

If you check out Mark 11:21-24, especially the conclusion in v24, tell me, have you ever heard a good message on v24? A message which resulted in an improved prayer life? Or are you happy to go on year in year out doing the same old, same old?

Man, please wake up, this is hard going.

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News Item1/9/2020 11:47 PM
kalyan developers | kerala  Find all comments by kalyan developers
Nice post
Really lucky to be here
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News Item1/9/2020 9:58 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Bro US, thank you for your reply. It is what I would expect from much of the Christian community, yet is far from satisfactory. This is due to either lack of thought, unbelief, or simply just not taking the teachings of Jesus seriously.
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First, thank you James Thomas for you very kind words.

Brother John, not sure how the blab it grab group became part of your post. Mind if ask you, do you think that because our Lord stated that the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ’s church that there is always out there a remnant according to the election of grace of true believers who are walking in the light as our Lord is in light?

btw, I agree we need to listen to and read the works and sermons of people like Ravenhill and Tozer.

Tozer;s book The Pursuit of God is available on SA

https://tinyurl.com/us5ydo9

Well worth the time to listen to it. If you wish instead to read it (or read while it is being read) below is a link to it in pdf format.

http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/Tozer_Pursuit_of_God.pdf

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News Item1/9/2020 3:16 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Bro US, thank you for your reply. It is what I would expect from much of the Christian community, yet is far from satisfactory. This is due to either lack of thought, unbelief, or simply just not taking the teachings of Jesus seriously.

Whereas the NT take on prayer shows an incredible force, or power, that should make the prayer meeting the most highly charged meeting of the church, in reality and practice it is surely true that many will not even attend the prayer meeting, seeing in it very little value.

There is so little answer to prayer that one wonders if western nations are under judgment and need revival of true religion. And if one tiny part of the body is experiencing blessings in this area, it behoves them to make mention of how they got to this position, namely, through admitting the low estate of the church and confessing and forsaking sin, and returning all once again to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, living only for him, as their King.

Instead of this, the proud believer would rather downplay the teachings of Jesus, telling everyone that "this Word of Faith" nonsense is nonsense and not to be trusted. Thusly, they equate Jesus with "Word of Faith" doctrine, which is nonsense.

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News Item1/9/2020 2:59 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I choose not to focus on the negative that some pray for wrong motives or are not on praying ground due to their spiritual condition. That’s for God to judge. I just have to look to my own heart and motives and try by His help to pray according to and in His will. Necessitating the need for forgiveness when I ask amiss or regard iniquity in my heart.
Bro US,

I wanted do say your postings have been filled with kindness and gave me a well needed healthy reminder of Phil 4:6-8. Thank you!

Good on you Bro!

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News Item1/9/2020 1:43 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Thanks John for your response. God using angels to do the unexpected is not a normal use of means found in Scripture. All of should look to the Lord daily for our nutrition but not everyone has their food delivered by ravens. The normal means in that case is if any work not neither shall he eat. My experience has been that there are faithful brethren and sisters in Christ who daily pray for others and in many cases it is indeed trusting God to do what only He can do.

I choose not to focus on the negative that some pray for wrong motives or are not on praying ground due to their spiritual condition. That’s for God to judge. I just have to look to my own heart and motives and try by His help to pray according to and in His will. Necessitating the need for forgiveness when I ask amiss or regard iniquity in my heart.

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News Item1/9/2020 12:54 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
1. Brother John not sure the passage cited is the best example of a group that had faith that God would answer their prayers
2. It is not uncommon here in the states for large groups of believers to give themselves to prayer for their brethren who are in dire straits in which only God could help. I see it weekly. They don’t do that over there?
Bro US,

1. Sure, but the point I was making was agreeing with Stevenr that God usually uses means to achieve his ends, and in this case it was an angel, who was dispatched to earth to release Peter from his prison cell. The disciples were unsure if God would do that, but God heard and answered their prayer, which is an encouragement to us.

2. Over here there is plenty of prayer from unregenerate christendom which God does not hear. And there is prayer, so-called, from Christian people, which by and large remains unanswered because they did not pray in the will of God.

For a deeper understanding of these things, hearken much to the preaching and teaching ministry of men like Ravenhill and Tozer and others like them.

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News Item1/9/2020 12:16 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Breaking silence back into this thread.

Brother John not sure the passage cited is the best example of a group that had faith that God would answer their prayers

It is not uncommon here in the states for large groups of believers to give themselves to prayer for their brethren who are in dire straits in which only God could help. I see it weekly. They don’t do that over there?

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News Item1/9/2020 10:58 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Stevenr wrote:
The Bible is rife with instances where God uses something other than His physical hand to accomplish His goal.
Sure thing Stevenr. I remember that time when he sent an angel to release Simon Peter from imprisonment, while the other disciples were back home huddled together in prayer for Peter. My guess is that they believed God could do it.

I don't know how many believers there are in the world today who can trust God in such a way for everyday things.

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News Item1/9/2020 6:51 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
CES
Never truth comes affected by colour, culture, history, geography, taste, preferences, experience, shapes or sizes.

Stevenr
We trust God working inside the parameters of his laws and statutes, not according to our reasoning and logic.
He expects and commands us to be prudent, yet he has a blue print for the theory of state, law and order, by which refined western governments have thrived, in contrast to tribal rule.
The two things are mixed up in the American way of thinking regarding the issue.

Disclaimer, American friends, sincere apologies, not wishing with this to play the nationalism card here.

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News Item1/8/2020 7:58 PM
CES  Find all comments by CES
Sorry B. McCausland, you have not a clue concerning our country, and its culture.
You live on an island the size of Indiana, walk a mile in our moccasins before you start preaching.
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News Item1/8/2020 7:24 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
The Bible is rife with instances where God uses something other than His physical hand to accomplish His goal.
Was it His hand that blocked the Red Sea, or did He send a strong east wind?
It’s like that old joke about the guy in a flood. A guy sat on his porch as the waters rose, and a rescuer came by in a truck, a boat, and a helicopter to rescue him, but he said, “No, I’m waiting for God to deliver me.”
When he died in the flood and entered heaven, he asked God Why He didn’t deliver him.
God replies, “I sent a truck, a boat, and a helicopter.”
Faith is trusting God for the outcome, not sitting on your tookus waiting for Him to do everything.
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News Item1/8/2020 7:22 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
It is said the Lord establishes the nations. If so, there should be no complaint over how he established this one. Having said that, it must be difficult to see any other than what one is familiar with as his doing, I suppose.
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News Item1/8/2020 6:46 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
The state bears the sword in order to punish evildoers—Romans 13:4. Preventing attacks on the family is the responsibility and right of the homeowner—Exodus 22:2, Matthew 24:43. Expecting the government to do what is our duty to do is not trusting God. It’s trusting government, and that is a very foolish thing to do—Psalm 118:9.
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News Item1/8/2020 6:16 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
One wonders wrote:
Didn’t mean to leave out part of quote that refers to the carrying the sword for areas in which there is known present danger like a church that is in a neighborhood that has 7 homicides within 2 miles of it. Hope that puts it back in context
Well, that is what makes the difference.
A society having 7 homicides within 2 miles is a sick society. Hence the armed population.

Stever
It is not cultural, is about different shades of law, order and government.
Americans are intended or programmed to help the state police. Other societies trust God by giving that job entirely to who it is given, the state, as established in Romans 13

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News Item1/8/2020 5:28 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
David trusted in God when confronting Goliath. I think its noteworthy that He used his stone and then Goliath's sword to accomplish the task at hand.
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