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FRONT PAGE  |  2/28/2020
THURSDAY, DEC 19, 2019  |  24 comments  |  2 commentaries
House Votes to Impeach President Trump
The House impeached President Trump in a momentous set of votes late Wednesday, making him the third president since America’s founding to face a Senate trial, and laying bare the deep partisan divisions on Capitol Hill and across the country.

Nearly all Democrats, led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), supported abuse-of-power and obstruction-of-Congress charges against Mr. Trump in the wake of his pressing Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.

The chamber’s Republicans rejected both articles, saying Democrats failed to show that Mr. Trump had committed a crime and that they had managed a flawed process. ...


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News Item12/22/19 8:22 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Try again, Jim. We all know that BHO and the Democrats have engaged in the exact same criminal activity of which they accuse Trump. So many others have posted that truth on this site that it is simply not worth recounting.

I'm not sure you understand the nature of the American republic in which representatives represent blocks of voters. More blocks voted for Trump than Hillary. That system, called the electoral college, ensures the security of our democracy when it comes to the presidential election. Once again, our republic was protected from socialism.

Again, Jim, we do not make up our own rules based on society's consensus but based on the word of the God who made us and sustains us. Progressive efforts to build a virtual Tower of Babel cannot be supported. Isaiah 59 already describes the relativism found in political debates and throughout American society as forwarded by elites who look to remove the Lord our lives. Psalm 2 reflects this kind of effort well, as well as the end of such effort. Make peace now with the Son while He is but a little angry!

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News Item12/22/19 6:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It's the American voters who are supposedly the leaders of the country. I have been very quiet about them. Like them I somewhat helped Trump become president, because I didn't vote for Hillary - - big mistake ❗😬

Though, while Dr. Rugh, usually quite good on theology, e.g.,
https://tinyurl.com/zwg8o3o (Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government),
not being a member of his church means I won't lock step with him on all occasions! I will agree with him when I think he's right, which is much of the time. However, no matter how much he thinks that a president is a Caesar I will not agree with him on that particular point.

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News Item12/22/19 4:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently Barack Obama did not engage in the same activities, QC❗👎 He was law-abiding basically in his political life and certainly in his personal life. There might have been a couple Republicans in the House that would want to impeach him. But, there certainly wasn't enough evidence or interest in doing it.

https://tinyurl.com/r4b77ge (Pelosi's decision to withhold articles of impeachment 'bizarre': Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis.)

It's not all that bizarre, the Clinton impeachment papers were held up for 3 weeks. As Nancy pointed out,  "Our Founders, when they wrote the Constitution, they suspected that there could be a rogue president. I don't think they suspected that we can have a rogue president and a rogue leader in the Senate at the same time,"

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News Item12/21/19 8:44 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The problem, Jim, is that BHO did engage in the exact same activities, if not worse. He was never qualified to be president due to his nationality status, which the Republicans left unchallenged to a large degree to keep peace. He and his Administration committed many criminal acts from allowing the killing of diplomats in Libya to the inappropriate use of US Intelligence against US citizens. Even his VP, Biden, has been in on the action and was caught on camera. Not saying that Republicans are squeaky clean, but just setting the record straight.

It's Isaiah 59 at its worst. Lies spun as spider webs, poison sold as healthy, and Truth lies stone cold dead in the street. Justice? He went into hiding knowing he was next after Truth.

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News Item12/21/19 6:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Timothy, I would think Jeff Flake the former senator from Arizona would have a good handle on what Mr. Trump has been up to. Too bad Republicans don't pick him to run for the next president, but that would make it too tempting to vote Republican.

Former GOP senator from Arizona, Jeff Flake wrote:
....
My simple test for all of us: What if President Barack Obama had engaged in precisely the same behavior? I know the answer to that question with certainty, and so do you. You would have understood with striking clarity the threat it posed, and you would have known exactly what to do.

Regarding the articles of impeachment, you could reasonably conclude that the president’s actions warrant his removal. You might also determine that the president’s actions do not rise to the constitutional standard required for removal. There is no small amount of moral hazard with each option, but both positions can be defended. 

But what is indefensible is echoing House Republicans who say that the president has not done anything wrong. He has....

excerpt from, "The president is on trial. So are my Senate Republican colleagues."

https://tinyurl.com/vwbnoo5

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News Item12/21/19 8:51 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim, there is more evidence that Santa Claus exists than there is that Donald Trump has done anything to be impeached for. Are you really that gullible? Well, yes, I suppose you are.
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News Item12/21/19 1:51 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, there is enough evidence now to know that Trump has done wrong❗
James Hohmann wrote:
....
-- Schiff argued that no additional evidence is needed to know the president abused his power and tried to cover it up. “We know what the president did, and we know when the president did it. But there are witnesses that could relate conversations with the president, and conversations among each other, about the execution of the president's scheme,” he explained.…

Mulvaney essentially admitted to a quid pro quo during his notorious October appearance in the White House briefing room, Schiff noted, even though he tried to walk it back later. He added that the documents and testimony his investigators collected leave no doubt that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was in the loop about what was going on. Schiff also recalled former NSC official Fiona Hill’s testimony that her boss, John Bolton, referred to the shadow foreign policy toward Ukraine as a “drug deal” being cooked up by Sondland and Mulvaney.....

excerpt from, "What Adam Schiff ... hopes for the Senate trial"

https://tinyurl.com/vedyc69

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News Item12/20/19 9:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Stever, as George Will point it out, yes taking the fifth an honest person doesn't take the fifth, in fact taking the fifth generally means a person is guilty❗
Burden of proof is on the accuser. So far, evidence is sorely lacking. Not likeing Trump's tweets is irrelevant. Abuse of power is what we've seen from the House of Reps. Like spoiled children they demanded their way while they we're conjuring up articles. Now Nancy wants the House to have its way in the Senate. Lunatics. The phone call between Trump and Ukraine man is available for those who have ears to hear. You know this, Jim. You're wasting your time with your trash talk.
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News Item12/20/19 6:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
https://tinyurl.com/wj9dops (In the event that the President's tweets sent you here)

Which will send you here❗

Mark Galli wrote:
....
The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage....
excerpt from,

https://tinyurl.com/yx3nbpvo (Trump Should Be Removed from Office)

Excellent editorial, no wonder Frankie Graham didn't like it.

Stever, as George Will point it out, yes taking the fifth an honest person doesn't take the fifth, in fact taking the fifth generally means a person is guilty❗

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News Item12/20/19 12:43 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim never answers questions, Steve. The only thing he remembers from his military days is the training he received in escape and evasion.
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News Item12/20/19 11:31 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Jim, you have failed to answer my question about the fifth amendment. Are you suggesting that the invocation of the fifth amendment is the equivalent of a guilty plea?
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News Item12/20/19 11:22 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Swamp
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News Item12/20/19 11:22 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
The editor of Christianity Today is wrong then. It’s common knowledge that the Democratic communists have been trying to unseat Mr. Trump since before his inauguration, not for wrongdoing, but for refusing to become a seamp monster like themselves.
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News Item12/20/19 11:17 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
https://tinyurl.com/tc3rwsj (Trump slams evangelical publication that calls for his removal from office)

Abraham Lincoln said or, wrote:
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Mark Galli, editor of Christianity Today apparently is nobody's fool 👍❗

The editor of Christianity Today, doesn't agree with you Timothy.

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News Item12/20/19 7:29 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
A “fair trial” in the Senate would consist of summarily dismissing the bogus charges against the president, Jim. The only Muscovites in the picture are the dirty Dems who are attempting not only to destroy the president, but American justice and balance of power as well.
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News Item12/19/19 10:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
There has been some pressure but not enough put on Moscow Mitch. He needs to make the trial in the Senate an actual one and do more on protecting the voting in 2020 ❗👍

Stevenr, there isn't going to be a fair trial in the Senate, if Mitch McConnell has his way!

The following is an excellent editorial from a Kentucky paper on Mitch McConnell. Hopefully a lot of voters will pay attention to it.

https://tinyurl.com/rfjet77 (McConnell’s impeachment stance shows his disregard for Constitution and his duty)

https://tinyurl.com/wbl4djz (The Cybersecurity 202: Pressure still on McConnell after $425 million election security deal)

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News Item12/19/19 7:59 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Nancy Pelosi should be congratulated on keeping the House dignified in it's impeachment proceedings.
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Good one, Jim!
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News Item12/19/19 6:40 PM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
How do dinosaurs have a spring in their steps, when Nancy Pelosi said “ we have a spring in our steps”. I thought, most 75 year olds walk the mall before the 10 am homeless or gangs show up to shoot up the place, now those folks, they have a spring in their step.
As for the Trump impeachment- the Democratic Party was headed for a second term of Trump. Then a bunch of Obama nsa hold onto-ers, called the dnc congressional office and said We got something. The liberal Democratic Party weaponized the court system and they think their going to do the same. Nope.
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News Item12/19/19 6:27 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
They impeached Trump because he obstructed their efforts to railroad him.
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News Item12/19/19 5:54 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Jim
I have two problems with your post.
First: we are given the fifth amendment to protect us from self-incrimination, yes. But we are also assumed innocent until proven guilty. What you were implying is that the invocation of the fifth amendment is now the equivalent of a guilty plea?
There is no way I would want to subject myself to questioning under people who are rabidly antagonistic against me. The Democratic House has been talking of impeachment since election… It was just recently they finally decided that this was something they could impeach him for. So understanding their hatred toward him, and that they were searching for something to go on, why would he want to sit under oath with the possibility of having his words twisted and be trapped in a “lie“ much as many others have been.

Secondly, how can you look at any of the proceedings and believe that Pelosi has kept them dignified.

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