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FRONT PAGE  |  12/14/2019
TUESDAY, NOV 12, 2019  |  22 comments  |  1 commentary
Keith Getty: Modern worship mov't is 'de-Christianizing of God’s people'
“In Christ Alone” writer Keith Getty is warning church leaders about the modern worship movement, which he describes as one of “cultural relevance” that is “utterly dangerous” and is contributing to the “de-Christianizing of God’s people.”

In an interview with The Christian Post, Getty said many modern worship songs focus on emotionalism rather than sound doctrine and Scriptural truths. This, he said, leads to a generation ill-equipped to understand or defend the Christian faith.

“An authentic generation doesn’t begin with catharsis; it has to begin with an authentic picture of the God of the Bible,” he explained. “Over 75 percent of what are called the great hymns of the faith talk about eternity, Heaven, Hell, and the fact that we have peace with God. Yet, less than 5 percent of modern worship songs talk about eternity.”

“Many worship songs are focused on this Earth,” Getty said. “I ...


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News Item11/17/19 9:51 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Christopher000 wrote:
BM Wrote:
"Sorry, you missed the word "TUNE" , not the lyrics."
In America, a tune {slang} is a song, which encompasses the lyrics and instrumentals/melody/rhythm, of that tune/song, as a whole; having no difference between the two.
I still don't understand the categorization, but it's fine, and no explanation is necessary.
Please, see the basic meaning of the word tune in music, not in American slang
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News Item11/17/19 8:08 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
BM Wrote:
"Sorry, you missed the word "TUNE" , not the lyrics."

In America, a tune {slang} is a song, which encompasses the lyrics and instrumentals/melody/rhythm, of that tune/song, as a whole; having no difference between the two.

I still don't understand the categorization, but it's fine, and no explanation is necessary.

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News Item11/17/19 7:20 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Christopher000 wrote:
B McCausland Wrote:
"Quiet Christian,
Surely there are hymns better than others, the main drinking song being the American anthem seconded by the Amazing Grace tune."
Good morning, BM...
Did you mean to say that the song/hymn, "Amazing Grace", is a top American drinking song? How do you understand it being used in American culture to categorize it like that? Thanks.
Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed
Through many dangers, toils and snares
We have already come.
T'was grace that brought us safe thus far
And grace will lead us home,
And grace will lead us home
Amazing grace, How Sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
Was blind, but now I see.
Sorry, you missed the word "TUNE" , not the lyrics
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News Item11/17/19 6:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
B McCausland Wrote:
"Quiet Christian,
Surely there are hymns better than others, the main drinking song being the American anthem seconded by the Amazing Grace tune."

Good morning, BM...

Did you mean to say that the song/hymn, "Amazing Grace", is a top American drinking song? How do you understand it being used in American culture to categorize it like that? Thanks.

Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
T'was blind but now I see

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed

Through many dangers, toils and snares
We have already come.
T'was grace that brought us safe thus far
And grace will lead us home,
And grace will lead us home

Amazing grace, How Sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
Was blind, but now I see.

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News Item11/16/19 8:09 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Quiet Christian,
Surely there are hymns better than others, the main drinking song being the American anthem seconded by the Amazing Grace tune.

However, the sensuality of present CCM has only a weak antecedent in the instrumental compositions of the Romantic period, and a stronger relative in the caberet music of the 20's, 30's and 40's of which few hymns belong to.
Generally the spiritual hymns that have past the test of time do not partake of that trend.
(Sorry, we are talking here about the classic hymn which derived from Europe, as the American genre of ditties became a class on its own, more subject to what you point to.)

The matter of principle is what matters when thin-combing the musical genres, and such has been already explained.

The spirit of the age is evident in present CCM, which grounds from personality cult, to the good feeling factor doing it "my way", borrowing from Frank Sinatra's theme.

The more compromised a fellowship is regarding music the more argumentative it becomes, because once the old leaven has entered, the senses that discern good from bad are in bondage to the sensual appeal making it more difficult to dislodge itself from the snares entrapping will power and reasoning skills.

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News Item11/16/19 2:34 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The problem, Mrs. McC, is that your standard is subjective. What was routine pop music of years past are either the style or the tune of many of our hymns today. Some were drinking songs, redeemed as something that now honors the Lord.

I have to apologise for being difficult on this topic, ma'am, as you do have a valid point. But we're currently with a church that is very traditional and have a conscience against the ills of the age that have crept into worship...and good on them. But when one complains of 7/11s -- 11 words sung 7 times(?) but then sings one from their hymnal that was written 100 years ago, what makes old trash any better? Bad theology and poor words to pop music of 100 years ago don't get better with age. Meanwhile, there are better, singable pieces with correct, deep theology written only a few minutes ago that don't have to be played by a performance band.

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News Item11/15/19 11:18 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
The Quiet Christian wrote:
And your proof text is, Mrs. McC?
"... put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and *make not provision* for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."

The verse gears towards the idea that putting on the Lord Jesus Christ is the epitome of all contrary to fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, of which music is an easy medium.

The proof of this is how people can only 'worship' using their particular ilk of music, the reason being that in reality it gives them the emotional/sensual 'kick' they seek of such exercise, which obviously comes confused as worship.

On the other hand, Christ stands for purity in the exercise of our senses.
The mere agitation or manipulation of our senses/emotions is not commanded in Scripture, but the stirring of a pure mind while bringing spiritual things to rememberance which in turn produces earnest thanksgiving, say true worship.

"beloved, ... I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance ... "

"... strong meat belongs to them that are of full age,
even those who by reason of use
have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

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News Item11/15/19 10:10 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
And your proof text is, Mrs. McC?
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News Item11/15/19 4:41 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
The Quiet Christian wrote:
My wife was playing a hymn today for Sunday from 1935 that is obviously a 1930s pop tune. What makes pop music from the early decades of the 20th century somehow holy or sanctified but more modern music somehow more sinful?
You are making such unsustainable assumption.

The issue is not time related but of internal musical construction.

In short and as a rule of thumb, God honoring music has a robust melody not appealing to base senses, and riding on a sequence of undistorted natural harmonics.

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News Item11/14/19 11:50 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
My wife was playing a hymn today for Sunday from 1935 that is obviously a 1930s pop tune. What makes pop music from the early decades of the 20th century somehow holy or sanctified but more modern music somehow more sinful?
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News Item11/13/19 5:42 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Jim likes this article, thus a powerful incentive to don one's Thinking Cap ...
It reads like a puff piece for the Gettys' new Christ-mass🎄 album. Traditional music for this genre is nothing if not sentimental. And they follow hallowed Tradition: practically every major pop singer or group in the past, no matter how ungodly they were, thought it worthwhile to publish a Christmas album, e.g. Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys.
Dr. Tim wrote:
I think I’ll go ahead and dust off the Bing Crosby and Andy Williams LPs today. Ho ho ho.
Adriel wrote:
Hymn singing has now turned into an entertainment show for sinners in churches.
Interesting!
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News Item11/12/19 10:11 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
The Quiet Christian wrote:
And still are, Mrs. McC. But one need look at the whole package.
Besides their lyrics, their enticing sensual music leads the contemporary style in a big way, so what is the package?

While the platform stars lead there is no actual corporate worship.

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News Item11/12/19 9:53 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
And still are, Mrs. McC. But one need look at the whole package.
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News Item11/12/19 9:44 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
The Quiet Christian wrote:
The Gettys are modern hymn writers who are fighting to restore or retain corporate worship, not as entertainment like CCM-based contemporary worship, but true God honoring worship.
It depends on what angle you come from.
They themselves have been religious
entertainers with boundery contemporary music
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News Item11/12/19 4:40 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The Gettys are working to set all the Psalms to music, and make a point about that.

In terms of being wary of what Jim likes, good point. But a broken clock is right twice a day.

The Gettys are modern hymn writers who are fighting to restore or retain corporate worship, not as entertainment like CCM-based contemporary worship, but true God honoring worship.

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News Item11/12/19 4:40 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The Gettys are working to set all the Psalms to music, and make a point about that.

In terms of being wary of what Jim likes, good point. But a broken clock is right twice a day.

The Gettys are modern hymn writers who are fighting to restore or retain corporate worship, not as entertainment like CCM-based contemporary worship, but true God honoring worship.

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News Item11/12/19 4:09 PM
Douglas Fir | Land of Pleasant Living  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
This reminds me of that verse in the Bible that says, of the writing of books there is no end. And that was in the days before Gutenberg invented the printing press!
It seems that every time I turn on Christian radio to hear a program, it is about some author promoting their book. Of course, they act as if their book is the Latest and Greatest Thing since boiled peanuts or sliced bread.
I wish I could find every book written in the past 50 years and sold in Christian bookstores, just to put catalog them to see how our culture has changed over the years.
You could say that in the New Testament Days, there were disputes that appear in the Bible, like 'I am of Apollos' and 'No, I am of Paul, the Apostle' or another saying 'No, I am of Peter, who walked with Jesus'
Didn't Paul tell in one of his letters that he wished 2 women would agree?
Seems like complaining about church or doctrine or worship services seems to be part of the package! Makes you want to turn to the peace and quiet of those meditating Buddhists, except when you remember the news story you saw a couple years ago, where different groups of Buddhists were fighting each other in Burma (or Thailand?).
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News Item11/12/19 3:55 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim likes this article, thus a powerful incentive to don one's Thinking Cap ...
It reads like a puff piece for the Gettys' new Christ-mass🎄 album. Traditional music for this genre is nothing if not sentimental. And they follow hallowed Tradition: practically every major pop singer or group in the past, no matter how ungodly they were, thought it worthwhile to publish a Christmas album, e.g. Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys.

But I'll give the Gettys this: at least they mention rest on the Lord's Day, a concept foreign to most American churches today.

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News Item11/12/19 3:28 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Hymn singing is human entertainment.

Whereas the Book of Psalms, like the rest of the Bible was authored by God.

God's praise is in the Book of Psalms.

Whatever hymn singers might think the simple fact is that man's modern writing is and can never be as inspired as the Word of God which includes the Psalms.

Hymn singing has now turned into an entertainment show for sinners in churches.
That does not praise God.

"the book of Psalms has another use as well. It is, as Calvin says, “an anatomy of all the parts of the soul.” It is a guide to piety for the believer. In particular the book of Psalms provides guidance for the Christian in four areas: meditation, expostulation, prayer, and song. The art of Christian meditation is in our age largely a lost art, though our Puritan and Reformed forefathers wrote dozens of treatises on the subject."

Expostulation is another word that has virtually disappeared from the modern Christian’s vocabulary. The verb expostulate is defined in Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary as “to reason earnestly with a person for purposes of dissuasion or remonstrance.” In the context of the use of the Psalms, this has the idea of an earnest reasoning with oneself for the correcting of one’s views or behavior." (Benjamin Shaw)

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News Item11/12/19 12:19 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
Everything according to plan, it's modern everything just like the modern fake bibles so loved by the Pope the antichrist, the son of perdition, the man of sin.
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